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Old 07-06-11, 03:39 PM   #1
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Why Do Some Folks Dislike Tire Liners?

I was having trouble with flats. Usually small tiny pieces of glass and remembered I used tire liners a long time ago and it helped. Si I bought some Slime tire liners and bought some Slime green goo and it has helped 95%. The bike employees told me they didn't work and actually caused flats?? They also told me they added a lot of weight?? Anyways I was just wondering why so many people dislike them.
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Old 07-06-11, 03:45 PM   #2
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I think weight is the main reason. That, and puncture resistant tires seem to do the job well enough without liners.
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Old 07-06-11, 03:54 PM   #3
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What tires have you been using?
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Old 07-06-11, 03:54 PM   #4
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The bike employees told me they didn't work and actually caused flats?? They also told me they added a lot of weight??
Well, one reason bike mechanics dislike Slime is that, eventually, you get a puncture that exceeds the capacity of Slime to fix it. When that happens, the Slime creates a sticky mess that has to be cleaned up when the tube's replaced.

Frankly, I like the stuff, as well as puncture-resistant tires. They do add weight, though, in the worst possible area: the outer edge of a rotating mass.
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Old 07-06-11, 04:12 PM   #5
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I have kevlar lined tires and I kept getting flats on my rear tire. I added a liner to it and no flats since.

When someone asks me about the weight, I ask them which would slow you down more: taking 10 minutes to change a flat or the extra 3 oz that the tire liner weighs?
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Old 07-06-11, 04:25 PM   #6
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Sometimes tire liners can cause flats due to the friction of the edges wearing the tubes thin.

Slime gets mixed reviews. It can plug a small hole but isn't fool proof. It can also cause valves to get stuck slightly open allowing air to escape. And as others have said, it makes a mess.

Personally I've had good luck just getting tires with decent flat protection so I don't bother with them.
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Old 07-06-11, 04:26 PM   #7
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Too many goats heads on the trails I ride. Slime has done the trick for me.
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Old 07-06-11, 04:29 PM   #8
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I run with Mr. Tuffy in all my clincher tires.

I reckon people hate them because of misuse, bad luck or horror stories they've heard.

I killed a $50 Armadillo with just a couple hundred miles on it so I subsequently stopped going with tires with built-in protection. A $25 tire with a $13 liner rolls about the same, weighs just a little more and is much cheaper to replace.

I used Slime in my MTB tubes when I lived in goathead country. It's no good for skinny road tires, though. I haven't gotten my Mr. Tuffy equipped tires on goathead trails much but they seem to work OK for them also.
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Old 07-06-11, 04:29 PM   #9
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Personally, I don't have a like or dislike for them. When I was commuting urban I used them for about 5 years w/very good results. Of course I was riding an mtb w/26x1.95 tires. Then I went a little smaller w/1.75. Had 2 or 3 flats over the 5 years. 55-65 psi.

When I started commuting long rural distances I needed a faster bike w/more narrow tires. The higher psi of the rb tires caused more problems than the liners helped. 90-110 psi. In frustration I went to Nu-Teck airless w/flawless results though they were much slower. Rode them for about 2.5-3 years. Finally, after much study and comparison(s) I decided to get a set of Schwalbe Marathon Plus for my primary commuter. No liners and the rolling resistance was very acceptable for a touring, utility or commuting rig. It's my belief that bicycle tire construction has improved to the point that liners aren't needed, anymore.

People will tout different brands/makes including Specialized Armadillos, Continental Gatorskins, Vittoria Randonneur, Bontragers, Michelins, etc. They're all highly regarded for the most part. I've gotten almost 20,000 combined miles out of 3 different bikes using SMPs exclusively w/1 slow leak and 2 flats. Same tires purchased over 3 years ago. One flat was a blowout caused by a faulty tube. The other was a 2" self-starting screw that nothing would've stopped. Never did figure out the slow leak.
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Old 07-06-11, 04:39 PM   #10
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Love mine, they are fantastic. I use Mr. Tuffy Silver liners in 26x1.5 Kenda Kwest tires.
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Old 07-06-11, 04:50 PM   #11
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Love my mr tuffys. But I also enjoyed my bontrager hardcases I had on last year. Just didn't want to buy 80 more dollars worth of tires for a brand new bike when I could just pay 20 and get roughly the same flat protection.

Having said that, I don't really like the tioga city grippers I have on right now after 400 miles and next spring when the nokia studs come off I will probably try the highly recommended SMPs then.

Locally, the people I have talked to who hate tire liners have installed them themselves, those who like tire liners had a professional do the install.
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Old 07-06-11, 05:55 PM   #12
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I reckon people hate them because of misuse, bad luck or horror stories they've heard.
"Hate" is a strong term. I stopped putting Mr. Tuffy liners on my bikes after I got a pinch flat on the rear of my fully loaded tourer thanks to one. Might have been misuse -- there was a piece of liner that the factory had not fully cut off and that I did not notice or remove. Still, my touring tires never had punctures, even off road, so in effect I paid extra for that flat. At least it wasn't raining . :-)
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Old 07-06-11, 06:43 PM   #13
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"Hate" is a strong term.
Ha, that's funny. That's what my father used to tell us as we weren't allowed to use that word as kids. To this day as an adult I say "Hate is a strong word".
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Old 07-06-11, 07:39 PM   #14
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I love Mr. Tuffys. They rock. Never had a problem with them on my mountain bikes.

I'm not a fan of Slime tire liners though. Even after smoothing the edges of them, they still wore holes in the inner tubes on my mountain bikes.

I did try Slime inner tubes on my mountain bikes, and they worked to prevent flats. Unfortunately, the added weight drove me crazy. It always felt like I was riding through beach sand.

I'm now trying Armadillos on my street bike. I haven't yet decided if I prefer them or not. No flats yet though.
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Old 07-06-11, 08:37 PM   #15
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Love mine, they are fantastic. I use Mr. Tuffy Silver liners in 26x1.5 Kenda Kwest tires.
I ditched my stock Kwest tires for Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tires. It's a hell of an upgrade.
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Old 07-06-11, 08:45 PM   #16
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Don't like them for the above mentioned reasons and because IMHO they make for a "dead" feeling ride.
If I got more flats I'd probably use them anyways but I seem to only get one or two a year and swapping out a tube is only a 5 min job.
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I ditched my stock Kwest tires for Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tires. It's a hell of an upgrade.
I know, I keep saying I'm going to get a set, just haven't done it yet.
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Been riding with Vittorio Raconteurs 35c for about 3 years; cracky roads, broken glass on bike paths, occasional hardpack dirt, etc. Maybe one flat and it was a slow leak. Did use liners before i switched and they were useful also. I think most of the time flats are luck'o'the draw
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mr. tuffy in all five bikes. 20mm to 32mm tires. 70-110psi range. nothing has gotten through yet and i'm in bigtime goathead country.

BTW using the new and improved "ultra lite"'s and a super light forte "lunar lite" tube combo there is zero weight penalty compared to standard forte tube alone. and i have not detected any loss of feel either.
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I get about 1-2 flats per year on my commuter bike, and about half of those are valve failures. On the other hand, my route has a bunch of hills that I have to climb day after day after day. Why would I want to lug more weight up the hills, in the worst possible place (wheels), just to avoid about 1 flat per year at the most?
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I used tire liners for a while. Why did I get away from them?

1. Hassle when changing a tire
2. Flats from the end of the liner rubbing on the tube (I think this only happened once to me).
3. No sidewall protection.

Weight never entered into it.
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7 flats in 35 days on OEM Kendra tires. Switched to Continental Gaterskins (5 grams lighter than the Kendras) and no flats in 15 days.
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Personal History.. Internal abrasion of the liner into the tube.

now i use Schwalbe Marathon + tires,
on my daily rider bikes, the tire liner is under the tread , on those,
outside the casing.

the road bike , goes out rarely , for sport, I just mend the occasional puncture ..

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It's heavy and unnecessary with good tires. Plus, it can mess up your valve.
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I have kevlar lined tires and I kept getting flats on my rear tire. I added a liner to it and no flats since.

When someone asks me about the weight, I ask them which would slow you down more: taking 10 minutes to change a flat or the extra 3 oz that the tire liner weighs?
Ditto. I kept getting punctures in my rear tire (Schwalbe Big Apples) until I installed a Mr. Tuffy strip. No more flats. Now I put a liner in every rear tire. Currently using a Mr. Tuffy liner in my rear Conti Ultra Gatorskin and having no problems with it, 3+ months along.

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