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Old 03-07-12, 07:17 PM   #1
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I hate it when a cager tries to be nice.

Not all the time, I guess, but I hate it when they have the right of way and they unexpectedly stop and flash you to go. All the while they've got a line of pissed off cagers behind them. Today, I've decided to point my tire in the opposite direction, look the other way. This one intersection is so dangerous that I'd rather wait for the coast to be clear. All it takes is one of those knuckleheads to go right around mister nice guy, flipping him the bird while using me for a speed bump. No thanks.
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Old 03-07-12, 07:41 PM   #2
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I agree. While I appreciate the sentiment, relinquishing the right of way is not appropriate. In such a situation, I don't get angry; I just patiently wait my proper turn. The courteous driver eventually gets the hint and moves on.
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Old 03-07-12, 07:56 PM   #3
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Absolutely. I was once riding a bike path where it approaches a road. I had a stop sign and I was getting ready to stop because there was a car coming. I see the car suddenly start to stop even though the stop sign was mine and not his. I slowed down significantly, waiting for him to GO since he had the right of way. He stayed put. So, I pressed on and passed right in front of his stopped car. He rolls down the window and angrily yells at me that I had a stop sign. I was out of breath from just ending a sprint so I did not answer him. I just kept going but I really wanted to tell him that I kept going because HE stopped! Why did he stop if he didn't have a sign?? By all means, predictably follow the rules of the road instead of irrationally reacting to the presence of cyclists.
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Old 03-07-12, 07:56 PM   #4
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Hey there PbBiker!

Just smile, wave him on, then quickly avert your attention away from him....Problem solved.

In the end, you smiled and waved at a nice person. Besides that, you just might have saved your own life, as well.

Therefore, no skin off of anyone's back...And you're not pissed!

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Old 03-07-12, 08:16 PM   #5
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Absolutely. I was once riding a bike path where it approaches a road. I had a stop sign and I was getting ready to stop because there was a car coming. I see the car suddenly start to stop even though the stop sign was mine and not his. I slowed down significantly, waiting for him to GO since he had the right of way. He stayed put. So, I pressed on and passed right in front of his stopped car. He rolls down the window and angrily yells at me that I had a stop sign. I was out of breath from just ending a sprint so I did not answer him. I just kept going but I really wanted to tell him that I kept going because HE stopped! Why did he stop if he didn't have a sign?? By all means, predictably follow the rules of the road instead of irrationally reacting to the presence of cyclists.
It sounds like he stopped because you spooked him, (see the points I bolded above) not because he wanted to be nice and give up his right of way.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't feel you necessarily did anything wrong in the situation you posted above, but your actions spooked the driver into thinking you were not going to stop nonetheless.

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Old 03-07-12, 08:22 PM   #6
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I just shake my head "No" pretty emphatically. I put a lot of body language into it so that it's obvious. And I smile and wave and say "Thanks, anyway" as they're going by.

They always understand what's going on and it stays friendly.
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Old 03-07-12, 09:04 PM   #7
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This happens to me on a daily basis. Not sure if the drivers are just super nice around here or that I look so old, they feel sorry for me. The car windows are so tinted, I can't even make eye contact with these drivers.
I hate stopping and putting my foot on the ground, but when I do that, they get the hint and move.
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Old 03-07-12, 10:25 PM   #8
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Yeah happens to me a lot too. I stopped at a path crossing today as the pedestrian/cycle light was flashing red. I could have started to cross but there was a line of traffic waiting to cross and several other cyclists had already crossed several seconds before I got there. A lorry (errr... whatever that is in American English) was waiting for me until I flagged them on... nice of the driver to wait, but there was never any chance I would've darted out in front of that vehicle on a flashing red.
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Old 03-07-12, 10:39 PM   #9
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Yeah happens to me a lot too. I stopped at a path crossing today as the pedestrian/cycle light was flashing red. I could have started to cross but there was a line of traffic waiting to cross and several other cyclists had already crossed several seconds before I got there. A lorry (errr... whatever that is in American English) was waiting for me until I flagged them on... nice of the driver to wait, but there was never any chance I would've darted out in front of that vehicle on a flashing red.
We call them 'trucks'. Somewhat larger than a W.C. Mind the gap.
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Old 03-07-12, 10:39 PM   #10
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A lorry (errr... whatever that is in American English)
Translation: A lorry is truck. Unless it's a semi-articulated truck, in which case it's a "semi" or the same thing the British call an "artic."

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Old 03-07-12, 10:39 PM   #11
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The same thing was happening so frequently I had to change my route home. It would happen on a busy 4 lane road with vehicles parked at all 4 corners reducing visibility.

Last winter a person almost got rear ended yielding the right of way. Had I obliged them, I'd almost certainly have been run down by the driver that swerved into the curb lane.
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Old 03-07-12, 10:54 PM   #12
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The same thing was happening so frequently I had to change my route home. It would happen on a busy 4 lane road with vehicles parked at all 4 corners reducing visibility.

Last winter a person almost got rear ended yielding the right of way. Had I obliged them, I'd almost certainly have been run down by the driver that swerved into the curb lane.
I've had that happen too. Closest I've come to joining the Great Peleton in the Sky was when a polite but clueless motorist stopped dead in the middle of the road without a stop sign in her direction and tried to wave a bunch of us bike commuters through. Luckily none of us took the bait because an impatient driver behind her sped around and would have killed us had we gone through.
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Old 03-08-12, 05:33 AM   #13
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I have several 4-way stop sign intersection on my route, and I used to do exactly what I knew was safe and yielded the right of way, but over the years I have let that habit slip and sometimes I just go when someone waves me through.

That is until last month when a guy in a large pickup truck made eye contact with me and waved me through, but evidently, the woman with a minivan full of kids sitting at one of the other 2 stop signs thought he was waving at here and she proceeded to drive straight forward without looking, right up to the point that I bounced off her quarter panel. She was very apologetic and promised me it wouldn't happen again, but I knew it wouldn't happen again because I won't be letting my guard down at a 4-way any time soon.
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Old 03-08-12, 07:04 AM   #14
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I wonder if car drivers that are at least aware of cyclists hate it when someone calls them a cager.
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Old 03-08-12, 08:06 AM   #15
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This happens to me on a daily basis. In some cases, I think the drivers think they are being nice. In other cases, they are being overly cautious and expect you as a cyclist to run the stop sign or light -- which is not a bad assumption if you think about it. A lot of cyclists show total disregard for traffic signals, and unfortunately that makes us all look bad.

Usually I slow down and wave the drivers on if they arrived at the intersection first. If we arrive about the same time, I pause and then go ahead, giving them a nod. In my case, I try not to clip out or put my feet down at intersections, doing a brief trackstand. Many riders may interpret that as thinking I'm going to proceed without stopping. I understand the confusion, but hate clipping out if I don't need to.
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I hate when drivers do this. Then they get pissed when I ignore them and wait my turn. I have already stopped. You are saving nobody time now. You could have been through in the time it took you to do this.
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Old 03-08-12, 11:37 AM   #17
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I wonder if car drivers that are at least aware of cyclists hate it when someone calls them a cager.
Good one. Many motorcyclists call "them" cagers, too. I don't know any motorcyclists that don't drive 4 wheeled vehicles as well, though at least I put many more miles on two wheels than I do on 4. But I have heard them mentioning taking the cage.
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Old 03-08-12, 12:47 PM   #18
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Had that happen yesterday at a fairly dangerous spot on my ride home. I have to cross traffic where a freeway offramp becomes a freeway onramp and people are only focused on merging in and out of the lane. Some lady in a car saw me and stopped, I had already stopped waiting for the traffic to clear up once the light down the street cycled and stopped all the oncoming cars. I waved them through and gave a nod. I hate when they do that for the reasons mentioned above. I ain't gonna be that guy that gets drilled by the impatient jerk who HAS to get home right now and whips around her to cut her off. I am in no rush. That is why I took a bike. lol
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My Mom was struck while driving when someone pulled a similar maneuver at an 3 way intersection w/4 lanes (2 in her direction, 2 opposing). She was in the left lane, passing a big SUV in the right lane (with right turn signal on). What she couldn't see was that he had stopped short to wave another driver coming from his right rather than continue on into the street ahead where he really was going to turn. She was broadsided (passenger side) by the driver who accepted the gesture.

The lesson to be learned.
If it's not your right of way, it's a good plan not to accept the gesture... ESPECIALLY if you can't see over/around the vehicle.

If it is your right of way (drivers), please exercise your right, unless doing will certainly result in a collision.

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Old 03-08-12, 12:51 PM   #20
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I've had that happen too. Closest I've come to joining the Great Peleton in the Sky was when a polite but clueless motorist stopped dead in the middle of the road without a stop sign in her direction and tried to wave a bunch of us bike commuters through. Luckily none of us took the bait because an impatient driver behind her sped around and would have killed us had we gone through.
That impatient motorist almost surely would have stopped or swerved instead of hitting a cyclist. It's nothing personal, they just don't want to be sued.
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Why? Do they have something against old-timey basketball players?

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Old 03-08-12, 04:35 PM   #22
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Hey there PbBiker!

Just smile, wave him on, then quickly avert your attention away from him....Problem solved.

In the end, you smiled and waved at a nice person. Besides that, you just might have saved your own life, as well.

Therefore, no skin off of anyone's back...And you're not pissed!

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Generally a safe move, and I often use the smile and wave when people yell or swear at me. The old, "Oh, hi! How are you doing?" throws them off and then it's fun to watch them explain, "No, I was actually mad at you back there.". "Great, have a nice day!"
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Why? Do they have something against old-timey basketball players?

Who is that troll in the corner?
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Old 03-08-12, 06:56 PM   #24
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+1 to all the above. I feel exactly like the OP and wish I could get more on board with Slim's positive attitude. I generally stop, now, and put my foot down while looking away from the car. They either get the message quickly, or get the message slowly. This is the only way I can manage not to get mad. If I don't put my foot down, I generally end up mad because I have to balance for longer than is necessary or than I am able to do without looking like a fool, and I have more time to think about how their niceness is so annoyingly non-efficient and bothersome.....can't we all just learn how to act at a four way stop....: ) When I think about it rationally, I'm glad this is my problem rather than the opposite. They could be ignoring my presence and running me down as i cross.....
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Thanks. How do you differentiate between a pick-up truck and a "lorry" truck then? I've actually been living here for close to 6 years now but as I was writing that post I realized I didn't know how to explain the type of truck easily. Does truck automatically imply "lorry" truck, because truck seems to also mean pick-up truck by default in many cases.
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