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Old 06-19-12, 01:06 PM
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Chilling hit and run in Murfreesboro, Tn. Be warned...not pretty

This could be any of us. No blinkies?...no excuse. This cager needs to do hard time.

https://www.newschannel5.com/story/18...run-of-cyclist

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Originally Posted by nashcommguy
This could be any of us. No blinkies...no excuse. This cager needs to do hard time.

https://www.newschannel5.com/story/18...run-of-cyclist

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Couldn't tell. Did the cyclist have a working taillight? The driver should have seen him anyway. The intersection seemed well lit but I'm always looking for ways to avoid those types of incidents.
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Didnt look like he had lights on but the headlights picked him out before he was hit.

The driver could have used the lack of lights as a defence unless he had been speeding or drinking like the officer said.
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Didnt look like he had lights on but the headlights picked him out before he was hit.

The driver could have used the lack of lights as a defence unless he had been speeding or drinking like the officer said.
The driver didn't even slow down. I'm guessing they were impaired in some way.
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I can't believe the red light cameras didn't get the plate number. They certainly get your plate number when they mail you a fine.

Also, the reporters should be ashamed of themselves for being such shills. The reporters end the story with a promotion of the company that operates the red light cameras, like it is some kind of commercial. The general public hates the red light cameras and the companies that operate them. This time when the cameras have the potential to do something positive with a serious crime, they fail to get a plate number.
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Originally Posted by m_yates
I can't believe the red light cameras didn't get the plate number. They certainly get your plate number when they mail you a fine.
There are two kinds of cameras: Video cameras (as seen in the news story), which are relatively low resolution, and still cameras they use to get the license number to issue the ticket. The car went through on the green, so the still cameras were not triggered.

Does not appear the cyclist had lights of any type in the video. I hope he recovers, but geez, how can your ride at night, no lights, no mirror, on a high-ish speed road and hope to survive?
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Wow, that is seriously messed up. Obviously he should have made him self more noticed. With that said, I don't think it would of helped in this case. The drive didn't even hit the brakes. Hitting somebody on accident is one thing but leaving a person do die in the middle of the street is seriously Fd up!
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People Suck.

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Yeah, that happened right here in Fort Worth. Ugh.
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Originally Posted by addictedhealer
Obviously he should have made him self more noticed. With that said, I don't think it would of helped in this case.
Use of a mirror might have helped.
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Crazy. That dude had to have been drunk or something. unbelievable.
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Originally Posted by Doohickie
Yeah, that happened right here in Fort Worth. Ugh.
How long did she end up getting in prison?
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How long did she end up getting in prison?
50 years.

She deserved more time than that.
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Holy crap, didn't even slow down a bit.

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The US certainly has the right idea on sentencing drivers who injure others or kill.


They are supposed to get 14 years for causing death by dangerous driving but rarely get more than 4.
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50 years.

She deserved more time than that.
50 do 25 get off at 14 with good behavior? Wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.
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Originally Posted by apollored
Didnt look like he had lights on but the headlights picked him out before he was hit.

The driver could have used the lack of lights as a defence unless he had been speeding or drinking like the officer said.
The story indicated that the bicycle did have reflectors and AFAIK, that's all that is required on the rear under Tenn. law. A white headlight is also required but wouldn't be relevant in this case. I agree that rear lights are advisable to supplement reflectors, but if the law only requires a reflector then lack of lights should not be a valid legal defense in a case like this where the rear reflector would have been clearly visible to the driver.
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Originally Posted by m_yates
I can't believe the red light cameras didn't get the plate number. They certainly get your plate number when they mail you a fine.

Also, the reporters should be ashamed of themselves for being such shills. The reporters end the story with a promotion of the company that operates the red light cameras, like it is some kind of commercial. The general public hates the red light cameras and the companies that operate them. This time when the cameras have the potential to do something positive with a serious crime, they fail to get a plate number.
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Originally Posted by m_yates
I can't believe the red light cameras didn't get the plate number. They certainly get your plate number when they mail you a fine.

Also, the reporters should be ashamed of themselves for being such shills. The reporters end the story with a promotion of the company that operates the red light cameras, like it is some kind of commercial. The general public hates the red light cameras and the companies that operate them. This time when the cameras have the potential to do something positive with a serious crime, they fail to get a plate number.
Why would a red light camera take a picture of a car that went through on green? You might as well expect speed cameras to take pictures of every single car that passes even if they were within the speed limit.
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Why would a red light camera take a picture of a car that went through on green? You might as well expect speed cameras to take pictures of every single car that passes even if they were within the speed limit.
Because part of the justification for them was for safety, not revenue enhancement. What's the point of having the surveillance cameras that took this video if they can't identify the car that hit and ran? It didn't increase the safety here, nor did it generate any revenue.
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Because part of the justification for them was for safety, not revenue enhancement. What's the point of having the surveillance cameras that took this video if they can't identify the car that hit and ran? It didn't increase the safety here, nor did it generate any revenue.
The safety aspect of them is they activate when people jump the red light. That's why they are called red light cameras.

No camera can ever increase safety, all it can do is take a picture of the offender so they can be identified, pursued, punished, whatever. The only improvement in safety is when people fear being caught and fined and as a result obey the traffic laws. Needless to say people driving illegal vehicles (missing plates, stolen vehicles etc) don't need to worry about them at all.
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I know that we are all trying to find out if there's something that we need to change in the way WE ride to prevent the same from happening to us. However, we have a rider that was acting within the law and taking the lane. Even if he could have increased visibility in other ways, he was visible enough according to the law, and I would like to not see us blame the victim...
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Not even a tap of the brakes. Drunk.
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Originally Posted by contango
The safety aspect of them is they activate when people jump the red light. That's why they are called red light cameras.

No camera can ever increase safety, all it can do is take a picture of the offender so they can be identified, pursued, punished, whatever. The only improvement in safety is when people fear being caught and fined and as a result obey the traffic laws. Needless to say people driving illegal vehicles (missing plates, stolen vehicles etc) don't need to worry about them at all.
As I said, this camera didn't increase the safety of the intersection, nor did it generate any revenue then. If this was a red light camera, it malfunctioned and was on when it shouldn't have been. It looks like it was a surveillance camera that wasn't good enough to identify the vehicle in this case.
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