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    I'm banging my head. Flipping coins. Everything. Sorry. Surly LHT or Salsa Fargo 3.

    I can't decide. I really can't. I wish one of them was offered in my favorite color...but I don't have a favorite color. Hell, I don't really care what color my bike is.

    I want a bike that will work for all of these: 1) be able beat the **** out of. 2) ride on the roads and some dirt, gravel, bike trails, maybe a set of steps here and there. 3) be a "fast" bike when I need it to be (i.e. holy ****, I'm late for work, dinner, whatever fast). 4) possibly ride in snow, but definitely sleet and rain. 5) sometimes ride with a rack and/or fenders. 6) be easy to upgrade later. 7) be comfortable to ride if I get a wild hair up my ass and decide to go for a 50+ mile bike ride one day or decide I want to ride across the US. 8) work if I decide to become completely car free. 9) be able to haul a trailer. 10) ensures that I'll never post something along the lines of this type of post again....EVER.

    Please help me.

    Lastly...these are ONLY bikes I want. HHHHEEEELLLLLPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!

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    Buy both?........takes care of the N+1 for at least a couple of days.
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    Eventually, you will own more than one bike, so one doesn't have to do everything. Why don't you pick one of those (or a different one) that does most of what you want, and then your next bike can do the rest.

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    Do you have a preference for wheel size and/or disc brakes?

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    A vote for Salsa Fargo here! Just because I own one and LOVE it!

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    Wish I could tell you I have both and you should pick ...., but I can't. I bet you'll make a good choice either way, and the sooner you do the sooner you'll be enjoying your new ride.

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    Chevy or Buick?, they sell by the same (importing) company, QBP.

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    A vote for LHT here! Just because I own one and LOVE it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffpoulin View Post
    Do you have a preference for wheel size and/or disc brakes?
    As for brakes, not really. I can tune/fix/replace either canti's and/or mechanical disc brakes. I don't mess with the hydro stuff.

    Wheel size? Nah. 700cc or 29...same thing to a point.

    The more I scour the internets, the more I'm leaning towards the Fargo.

    I see things I would immediately replace with both.
    Fargo: the shifters and brake levers.
    LHT: the brakes and brake levers.

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    why don't you ride them and get back to us.

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    because it comes in 26" wheel too, the LHT.

    & If you are late , pedaling harder makes any bike faster..

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    The LHT uses 26" wheels, but you can get it in 700c if the frame is 56cm or bigger. If you want to go fast, you'll have a limited selection of "road" tires in 26". Not an issue for the Fargo which has 700c (aka 29") wheels. You can get discs for the LHT with the disc trucker model.

    Any preference for straight top tube versus sloping?

    Also, both the Fargo and LHT are full-on touring bikes and it sounds like you want a "do everything" bike, which includes going moderately fast. I don't think either bike is really a good choice for that kind of riding, but they'll do almost everything else well. Since you're looking at Salsa and Surly, you might want to consider the Vaya and Crosscheck too. They're not full-on touring bikes, but they can carry quite a bit, are very versatile, and are a bit nimbler and faster than the first two for those times when you're late for work.

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    I was in the same boat as you for quite some time. I wanted a capable touring bike, a commuter, cargo bike, off road-er, etc... I rode a bunch and narrowed it down to the Fargo and the Ogre. I rode them both again and had to have the Ogre. Both are very capable bikes that fit exactly what I was looking for, but in the end, the Ogre fit me and rode better. I suggest you test ride all of them and take a notebook with you, enter both pros and cons for each bike. This does take some time, but should yield results that you will be happy with.
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    I don't think of them as direct competitors - Fargo vs. Ogre seems closer. Still both would work for 1-9, no bike can deal with 10. My 9 cents follows.
    1. You have two winners.
    2. Both work. "Better" roads favor the LHT, terrible -or no- roads favor the Fargo.
    3. the LHT - to the extent that there is a difference. It's all about the "motor".
    4. Yes.
    5. Not sure about ease of fender attachment on the Fargo, but both should do well.
    6. Little difference.
    7. Fit counts more.
    8,9. Yep.

    I'd probably choose the LHT on the basis of price (as in, more money left for lights, racks, fenders, saddle, other upgrades.) - unless you were planning a lot of "adventure" riding.

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    Don't get either one. Get the Raleigh Roper, instead!

    The Raleigh Roper ~ $1500
    www.raleighusa.com/bikes/steel-road/roper-12/

    Talk about a fast workhorse!
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    Salsa Fargo.
    Almost everyone has a Surly nowadays.

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    Slim, I thought you were into Jamis. The Roper is not bad, but personally, I'm not impressed with the disc brake cable management, the blue stickers on the rims, and the battleship gray color. Superficial, I know, but when Trek made the Portland, it was spec'ed and priced similarly but was much more attractive (IMO). For what the OP is looking for, I think the Vaya would be very compelling, unless he plans to do a lot more single track, where the Fargo would make more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC45 View Post
    Almost everyone has a Surly nowadays.
    Hmm, I wonder why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffpoulin View Post
    Slim, I thought you were into Jamis. The Roper is not bad, but personally, I'm not impressed with the disc brake cable management, the blue stickers on the rims, and the battleship gray color. Superficial, I know, but when Trek made the Portland, it was spec'ed and priced similarly but was much more attractive (IMO). For what the OP is looking for, I think the Vaya would be very compelling, unless he plans to do a lot more single track, where the Fargo would make more sense.
    Hey Jeff!

    I agree about the Roper brakes! BB7's would be better..... You've got a great point about the Trek Portland. That was a classic! I loved that one too! You're absolutely right about the Fargo's single tracking ability. My first thought was that the LHT would be better compared to the Vaya too, rather than the Fargo. However, it is what it is.....

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    Yes, I like Jamis, alright. But I really do love steel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rschreck View Post
    10) ensures that I'll never post something along the lines of this type of post again....EVER.
    I have put a few years in trying out alternatives to my LHT (running 2.0 big apples) (cross bike w/ narrrower but still pudgy tires, road bike w/ skinny tires, and of course the pugsley if 2.0 was not fat enough) and basically I have solidified the LHT's position as a bike I will not part with.

    Wednesday was the only sunny day here in over a week, perfect road bike day, but I didn't have time to go anywhere but to/from my daughter's camp to drop/retrieve her, and the 25mm road tires were just too bouncy for that kind of a relatively leisurely ride so the LHT it was. Supposed to be sunny again in another couple weeks so I will get consecutive road bike days in eventually, meantime I am glad the LHT is always there for me.

    Of course a fargo could do all that too. What can I say, w/ chunky tires I prefer 26" rather than have to push 29 x 2.0's around and around until they get up to speed. 26x2.0 is a comparable diameter to 700x25 anyway.

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    A couple of years ago I was looking for a new bike and after looking at all the alternatives I decided on the Salsa Vaya. It had features I was looking for without being too extreme.

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    Definitely consider the Salsa Vaya. By your description, the Vaya seems more suited to your stated uses than the Fargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    I have put a few years in trying out alternatives to my LHT (running 2.0 big apples) (cross bike w/ narrrower but still pudgy tires, road bike w/ skinny tires, and of course the pugsley if 2.0 was not fat enough) and basically I have solidified the LHT's position as a bike I will not part with.

    Wednesday was the only sunny day here in over a week, perfect road bike day, but I didn't have time to go anywhere but to/from my daughter's camp to drop/retrieve her, and the 25mm road tires were just too bouncy for that kind of a relatively leisurely ride so the LHT it was. Supposed to be sunny again in another couple weeks so I will get consecutive road bike days in eventually, meantime I am glad the LHT is always there for me.

    Of course a fargo could do all that too. What can I say, w/ chunky tires I prefer 26" rather than have to push 29 x 2.0's around and around until they get up to speed. 26x2.0 is a comparable diameter to 700x25 anyway.

    I was right with you all the way Hardy, up until you got to the " 26x2.0 is a comparable diameter to 700x25 anyway" part.

    What does that mean?

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    If you want the 700c fat tires, the Fargo will take fatter ones than the LHT. If you go with 26" on the LHT you can go wide. I went with the Fargo for that reason, as most of the touring I expect to do will be up in the coast range logging roads. I've ridden up there on day trips already and the Fargo is comfortable for several hours, anyway, and I love the disk brakes for coming back down. I wish I could go lower than the 20 gear inch granny I have, but the LHT is the same ratio. My Rocky Mountain will go all the way down to 17 and I can feel the difference on climbs.
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    Thanks for all the suggestions! In regards to the LHT, I would choose the 700c wheels over the 26".

    I'm pretty sure I'm going with the Fargo.

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