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    Is a commuting bike a touring bike?

    Touring bikes and commuters are rarer than racing bikes and mountain bikes If you design a bike that tours and commutes maybe the manufacturers will start making them.

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    I don't get it, what are you looking for. Many companies now have flat bar road bikes which IMO seem to be a good choice for Commuting and or Touring. For instance my Marin Mill Valler has 700c wheels centilever brakes plenty of room and braze-ons for racks and fenders and larger 700c tires plus a more upright riding position. Anything missing that you need for commuting or touring?
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    It could be.

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    No. But a touring bike is definately a commuter bike.
    And yes. By all means make it a CrossCheck.

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    There are plenty of bikes on the market now that fit that description. It's not really a rare thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manybikes
    There are plenty of bikes on the market now that fit that description. It's not really a rare thing.
    For me, the ideal bike that could be used for both commuting and loaded touring would have chainstays at least 18 inches long (to use wide saddlebags), a wheelbase 42 inches long (to soak up rough roads), braze-ons for front and rear racks, braze-ons for fenders, and clearance under the brakes for beefy tires (at least 32mm or larger) plus room for fenders.

    If there are "plenty" of bikes on the market like what I am describing, they are well hidden at Houston bike stores.

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    Check out the Specialized Sirrus. I just got me one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Ramsey
    Touring bikes and commuters are rarer than racing bikes and mountain bikes If you design a bike that tours and commutes maybe the manufacturers will start making them.
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    My touring bike I use for both touring and commuting..I carry too much stuff to work, I guess...So it works for me.

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    If there are "plenty" of bikes on the market like what I am describing, they are well hidden at Houston bike stores.
    They are well hidden at most bike stores. For whatever reason, the market seems to have fallen into two categories - MTBs which are often impractical (and almost always inefficient, as spec'ed), or racing bikes. The former seem to come with varying degrees of suspension and knobby tires. Not so hot for a road commute, at best. These may have rack/fender brazeons, but often do not.

    The racing bikes, if they actually do have fender clearance along with clearance for wide enough tires for comfort/durability, often lack braze ons. And almost always lack chainstays with heel clearance.

    Either bike is a sub-par commuter.

    The alternative, the hybrid, is OK for short commutes and noodling around town, but falls flat for longer commutes.

    You can get an LHT or a Cross check or a Soma double cross or a Soma Smoothie ES, but try and find one stocked/built up.

    When you consider how much time your average rider spends actually (a) offroad or (b) racing versus the time they could spend profitably commuting, or just running around town with a practical bike, it makes no sense.

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    From mainstream manufacturers there is the Specialized Sequoia. This seems perfect for commuting, if a little flash to be left unattended on the street.

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    A commuting bike is one that has wheels. And all the stuff to make the wheels go. That's all that's really needed. I commute to work on a mountain bike, on a touring bike, on a very short and sporty road bike. I've even commuted on a tandem. Commuter bikes don't have to be task specific, they just have to go.

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    I ride my Bianchi Volpe 4 miles to work everyday. I also rode it 5,000 miles across the country. I guess if you're totally anal about comfort and weight and all that, then you'll need a different bike for every application... that's good for bike manufacturers, bad for your garage.

    So, do they make a commuter bike that's also a touring bike? I think the real question is, will you ride your touring bike to work; will you tour on your commuter?

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    Yep, 'cos I have one do-all everyday workhorse bike. Get a bike you're happy on every day and there's no reason not to take it on tour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyccommute
    A commuting bike is one that has wheels. And all the stuff to make the wheels go. That's all that's really needed. I commute to work on a mountain bike, on a touring bike, on a very short and sporty road bike. I've even commuted on a tandem. Commuter bikes don't have to be task specific, they just have to go.

    Stuart Black
    yup. couldnt of said it better myself. anything can be a commuter or tourer. you could even use a mtb for a road race if you wanted to. you wont win any races, or anything, but you could.

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    The bike shops stock what sells, and the manufacturers make what sells. There is a lot of overlap for the jobs that different bikes can do. There is a huge amount of overlap of the definition of commuting or touring. There are bikes made and sold as touring bikes. They need to go a long way, be reliable, and safely carry a lot of weight. They make wonderful commuter bikes..

    Just about anything can be a commuter bike for someone.

    A track bike with no brakes, to an all out down hill bike, to a $10,000 road bike. For me personally a commuter has fenders, a huge mud flap, and is somewhat of a beater bike too not attract to much attention, and so I don't leave my best bikes locked up outside unattended. I use a single speed with fenders, and two or three bikes I bought for a few bucks and added fenders. I can use an mtb with studded tires in the snow and ice.

    If I lived in L.A. and could store my bike in my own office, then I could ride an expensive road bike every day, and be happy.

    I think this makes it hard to market a bike labeled as mainly for commuting.

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    Thanks everybody With 16.7 inch chainstays my feet hit the brakes never mind panier clearance. A commuter needs a stronger frame longer chainstays and stronger wheels. The people putting the most stress on the wheels would be people with a child in a safety seat on the back. There was an article in cycling science that tested a lugged joint and a bronzed welded joint and a tig welded joint. The lugged joint was over twice as strong as the tig welded one. A tig welded frame needs bigger tubes the surley uses a 1 x 1/8 seat tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Ramsey
    Thanks everybody With 16.7 inch chainstays my feet hit the brakes never mind panier clearance. A commuter needs a stronger frame longer chainstays and stronger wheels. The people putting the most stress on the wheels would be people with a child in a safety seat on the back. There was an article in cycling science that tested a lugged joint and a bronzed welded joint and a tig welded joint. The lugged joint was over twice as strong as the tig welded one. A tig welded frame needs bigger tubes the surley uses a 1 x 1/8 seat tube.
    My understanding is that welded construction superseded lugged construction simply because it is cheaper mass produce welded bikes. A lugged steel frame will have significantly stronger joints than a welded steel frame of the same quality. Don't know about weight, but that's not very relevant for a tourer/commuter.

    Those older touring bikes make great commuters!

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    Hmm, I was half tempted to trade in my mountain bike for either a LHT or cross-check...so in comparison, what's the differences between them? Can they both use wide tires, riding stance, etc?

    FWIW, my current commuter is a road racer, and it really doesnt seem to like the rough roads it's seen the past month. my mountain bike is just not fast enough to deal with traffic, so I'm looking for something in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catatonic
    Hmm, I was half tempted to trade in my mountain bike for either a LHT or cross-check...so in comparison, what's the differences between them? Can they both use wide tires, riding stance, etc?

    FWIW, my current commuter is a road racer, and it really doesnt seem to like the rough roads it's seen the past month. my mountain bike is just not fast enough to deal with traffic, so I'm looking for something in between.
    If you want to use fat tires, you need surly's large marge.

    What is slow about your mtn bike? Mine's slow, but I have fat, agressive tires. If I get off my lazy @ss and actually start commuting I'll put slicks on there. Its pretty easy to tell myself that now ain't the time to start commuting, though it has warmed up to 20 today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfbiked
    If you want to use fat tires, you need surly's large marge.
    uhh, those are rims for snow tires... unless your commuting across unplowed roads preparing for the iditarod, your gonna NOT want those.

    i built my surly crosscheck for about 600-700 bucks total, new frame, used wheelset, and used parts from my garage. i can't imagine anything much more versitile for commuting/touring for 400/500 bucks (except maybe something you find in the trash or used at a thriftshop).

    i'd imagine the long haul truckers gotta ride like a cadillac as this bike is pretty damn stable already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Ramsey
    Touring bikes and commuters are rarer than racing bikes and mountain bikes If you design a bike that tours and commutes maybe the manufacturers will start making them.
    It seems like any touring bike should make a good commuter.

    Cyclocross bikes might be worth looking at, I have a LeMond Poprad and that has plenty of clearance for any tire/fender combo you might want and with a rack on the back it seems to work well. I can't use some of the bigger panniers because I have size 14 feet and I kick them. It does have 17" chainstays though and I think you will have to get a touring bike to get longer ones.

    Some of the hybrids or 29" mountain bikes look like they might work well if you prefer straight handlebars. I thought the Trek 7700 FX looked pretty good. My brother plans to build a karate monkey for commuting, it should be just about bullet proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catatonic
    Hmm, I was half tempted to trade in my mountain bike for either a LHT or cross-check...so in comparison, what's the differences between them? Can they both use wide tires, riding stance, etc?
    Those questions and more can be answered at Surly's site. Just look under the Frames section.

    A brief glance shows the Cross Check taking only 700cm tires, up to 45mm, with fender clearance.
    The LHT takes 26" tires up to 2.1", and 700c tires on only the larger sized frames. So the LHT
    can take wider tires, but 45mm seems wide to me. Maybe not to some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catatonic
    Hmm, I was half tempted to trade in my mountain bike for either a LHT or cross-check...so in comparison, what's the differences between them? Can they both use wide tires, riding stance, etc?
    The LHT has longer chainstays so you could carry larger panniers without kicking them.

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