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Old 07-29-14, 03:28 AM   #26
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Quite simple:

1. You're suggesting that the escalation of lighting power needs to stop.
2. You don't provide a solution.
3. The only way that works is regulation to prevent the free market economy from giving people what they want (more lumens).
4. You tend to dump on "socialistic" governmental practices.

I don't really see how you can say 1 and 2 without thinking of 3 automatically and your posting history suggests 4.

It adds a huge amount to the conversation, as you just realised why the StVZO was created, which you've dumped on in the past.

5. Don't tell me that something doesn't add to the conversation when you haven't thought it through.

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A. Don't tell me what to tell you.
B. I don't know where you get the idea that I "You tend to dump on "socialistic" governmental practices." Not that it's germane here, but my politics are mostly far to the left, often embracing socialistic solutions to things.
C. I don't know what the "StVZO" is, so I can't speak to what it is you think I "dumped on" though. So I definitely didn't "realise why it was created". So I really doubt that adds anything to this conversation, much less a "huge amount". I bet most of the readers of this forum also have no idea what that is.
D. Again, you aren't adding anything to the conversation, once again you are picking a fight with me for some reason, and derailing someone else's thread.

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Don't tell me that something doesn't add to the conversation when you haven't thought it through.
I didn't realize that offering a teatise on solutions was a pre-requisite for posting.

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The only way that works is regulation to prevent the free market economy from giving people what they want (more lumens).
I'm not even sure to begin with all the fallacies contained in this sentence, but I'll give it a shot:
1. Who says what people really want is to have ridiculously bright lights on their bikes? It'd be interesting to see what people wanted if they were subjected to facing such lights themselves very regularly, and shown adequate lighting instead, and not being constantly marketed to in a predatory manner to convince them that they need ever more power.
2. It is quite possible to have public opinion turn against things, thus having an affect on their proliferation without resorting to regulation. Your use of an absolute statement here is silly and indicative of your proclivities, which are blinding you.

Again, I think you are derailing someone else's thread with your weird penchant for going after me.
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Old 07-29-14, 03:40 AM   #27
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your weird penchant for going after me.
If I was going after you, you'd feel it. I'm sorry if you've felt attacked in the past, as I'm quite calm/tame with people on BF.

1. I think the "predatory" discussion is really weak. Like "predatory lending." I think that's a consumer issue.
2. The reason this thread was created was because of the huge number of lumens, which suggests that it is something consumers look for and make judgements about.

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Doesn't all the light pressure out front slow you down?
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Doesn't all the light pressure out front slow you down?
Light only has an effect in a near vacuum. In air the effect is not measurable.

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If I was going after you, you'd feel it. I'm sorry if you've felt attacked in the past, as I'm quite calm/tame with people on BF.

1. I think the "predatory" discussion is really weak. Like "predatory lending." I think that's a consumer issue.
2. The reason this thread was created was because of the huge number of lumens, which suggests that it is something consumers look for and make judgements about.

RE: #1 , all advertising fits easily into 10 types. Several of those types prey on people's insecurities, often suggesting that one isn't doing enough to protect their family if one doesn't purchase their latest safety feature. To me, this fits the definition of "predatory".
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Light only has an effect in a near vacuum. In air the effect is not measurable.

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...so much for the attempt to derail the thread a little with three-beer-humor. *sigh*
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...so much for the attempt to derail the thread a little with three-beer-humor. *sigh*
When you get a cut, you could use this product to apply light pressure........

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I love the lumens but have no clue how to mount it on a bike.
Two interlocked metal hose clamps. Can be tightened down very securely with a socket wrench.

This looks extremely bright, but the flood would not work well for biking. I have a light like this which works very well because the head with the lens slides in and out so you can control the beam width. I can angle down and choose just the right width to illuminate everywhere in front of me I want to see, and no wasted (and offensive) light up at horizontal or above.
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RE: #1 , all advertising fits easily into 10 types. Several of those types prey on people's insecurities, often suggesting that one isn't doing enough to protect their family if one doesn't purchase their latest safety feature. To me, this fits the definition of "predatory".
OK. Fair enough, I can see that we have different opinions, which I can respect. I just view it as a business decision with no emotions involved, which is probably why I enjoyed living in Germany.
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That's more like it!
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