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Old 11-13-12, 08:06 PM   #1
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Squirting water at dogs works for you?

I have a dog on my commute that chases me down ~40 yds of yard - no fence. Hasn't left the yard yet.
Looks like a Pit Bull, but German Shepherd size. Brindle looking. I don't know what breed this is.

Owner says it never leaves yard, so just keep riding.
But I am sorry, I cannot leave myself helpless, riding 10 feet from the dog down the shoulder as it pursues me, fenceless, along the property edge.

So I am thinking of squirting water to train it to stay away from me.
I ride by almost every day, so she should get the message if it scares her.

Has it worked for you? Or just enraged the dog?
I am thinking air horn also.

I want to avoid pepper spray, because I don't want to have to tell the owner to get a vet for his dog that I just maced. I'd rather avoid that confrontation (broken glass on street from then on), and I couldn't leave the dog there harmed without feeling I had to tell the owner it needs medical attention.

Let me know what's worked best for you. Thanks.

I am also thinking of calling the county animal control, as you must have a leash on your dog, even in your own yard, in this county I believe I have read.

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Old 11-13-12, 08:13 PM   #2
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I used to have a st bernard that would come out in the road and chase me. Never attacked me, but I kept an extra water bottle with lemon juice in it. I've shot a couple dogs with it a few times - no big thing, doesn't hurt the dog, and is enough of a shock that it stops the dogs in its tracks. Best of all, you get electrolytes for long distance rides as well!
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My experience is that a squirt of water will surprise and slow down the dog enough for me to get away. I don't know that it "teaches" the dog anything, other than maybe it's only water.

Another observation is merely the act of pulling out and pointing the water bottle causes some dogs to pause.

I would not, under any circumstances, spray a dog that was on his own property.
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Old 11-13-12, 08:36 PM   #4
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I would not, under any circumstances, spray a dog that was on his own property.
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I think the dog, in this case, deserves to be left in peace. How would you feel if you were backing out of your driveway at home and someone felt insecure so they squirted you in the face? Not-happy right?
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Old 11-13-12, 08:44 PM   #6
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I used to have a st bernard that would come out in the road and chase me. Never attacked me, but I kept an extra water bottle with lemon juice in it. I've shot a couple dogs with it a few times - no big thing, doesn't hurt the dog, and is enough of a shock that it stops the dogs in its tracks. Best of all, you get electrolytes for long distance rides as well!
That is a interesting idea have to try that . Thanks
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I think I will stick with my bear spray...
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If it is in a predictable location, let it begin to charge you in the road, then swerve to it. Think old submariner movies. The dog predicts where you are going like a torpedo and when you don't it will scare and bolt. Often times it will fall over when surprised. A bunny hop sideways is a good finisher, but usually swerving into it's vector head on works like a charm.
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Squirt the owner in the face every time you go by. He's the one in charge.
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[QUOTE=mtbikerinpa;14945783]If it is in a predictable location, let it begin to charge you in the road, then swerve to it.QUOTE]

It runs along side me (on the edge of its yard) as I go uphill along the street.
So, I have no speed, and I am on the shoulder, and if it charged me, I would not be able to defend myself, as it would be on me before I could even get off the bike.
It harangues me from 10 feet away.
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If it is in a predictable location, let it begin to charge you in the road, then swerve to it.QUOTE]

It runs along side me (on the edge of its yard) as I go uphill along the street.
So, I have no speed, and I am on the shoulder, and if it charged me, I would not be able to defend myself, as it would be on me before I could even get off the bike.
It harangues me from 10 feet away.
Being harangued isn't really a problem - if the dog stays 10 feet away, be happy. My guess is that there might be an underground fence keeping the dog there, or it is very well trained to stay on the property. Can you take another route?
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The real problem is that you're afraid of the dog. Give him a doggie treat each time you pass for a few days. It will stop the barking and he'll become friends with you. Make him your friend and you won't have to fear him anymore.
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Has the treat method worked for you?

I would think giving a treat would be rewarding his aggression towards me.

However, the treat method would be fantastic if it really works.

I have two dogs at home, and plenty of treats I could bring.
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As long as the dog does not leave the owner's property you have no cause for action. A big dog barking and running in close proximity is concerning but until they enter public property you would have a hard time proving you were actually in danger. Check with your local law enforcement/animal control about any ordinances that require otherwise but if the dog is on the owner's property and there are no ordinances requiring "actual physical control" ie. fence or cable/chain tieout, and you do anything to the dog, you might well be accused of provoking an attack. "My dog never left the yard until this guy slowed down and sprayed lemon juice in his eyes, your honor." Pepper spray a dog on its owner's property and you are ripe for criminal charges of animal cruelty and may be liable for a vet bill.

I'm all for reasonable responses to imminent threats of injury but a dog barking at the edge of his own yard hardly qualifies. From your account of earlier encounters it sounds like the dog does indeed know his boundaries. My advice is ride by smoothly watching the dog out of the corner of your eye but not reacting to his presence at all unless he enters the street. If you are too nervous about the dog, then pick another route.

BTW, my dogs are always on leash or behind adequate fences.

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Give the owner a doggie treat each time you pass for a few days... He's the one in charge.
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The real problem is that you're afraid of the dog. Give him a doggie treat each time you pass for a few days. It will stop the barking and he'll become friends with you. Make him your friend and you won't have to fear him anymore.
I would be very cross if you were giving treats to my dog. Particularly if he is on my property, and appropriately haranguing you - I hire my dogs to bark at strangers, so to speak.

I would suggest a different route. But "making friends" by giving treats to dogs - unless the owner has given you permission - is also asking for trouble. Find a different way home, or compliment the hound as you ride by on how good a job of protecting the homestead he is doing.
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If the dog doesn't leave it's yard, then just ride on the other side of the street when you approach that area if another route isn't an option.

I can't stand irresponsible dog owners.

Check the local animal control laws though. Here in Georgia, state law says on a leash or behind a fence. No compromise there. If you have the same laws where you are then you can do whatever it takes to deter an attack/assault. But be really sure of the laws. Then you may want to talk to the owner. If that doesn't remedy the situation, and you are sure of the laws...

Next time you ride by and the dog gives you chase, ride up the street to a safe place and immediately call animal control. Have them send out a unit and file a complaint. That's how it works here. And it's very effective. Someone who has a dog that is large and threatening in nature shouldn't allow it to run free anyway. The dog could get hit by a car.

I've only called on 1 German Shepherd that bit me on the heel. The Animal Control people were out there faster than the cops were. And the dog was still roaming around. They put the old sling around it's neck and drug it to the paddy wagon. It wasn't until then that the owner came out and got all concerned. I was asked if I wanted treatment, and for the dog to be quarantined, but he just bit the heel of my shoe. No broken skin...otherwise it would have been a different story.

I have a 95 pound yeller lab. He loves bikes, he likes to run along side me at the local track. However, I would never allow him to roam outside our fence, I love him too much to bear the thought of him being hit. Since he was a puppy, I have always taught him that outside fence was bad. I'm very lucky it took.
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mace.

enough for the dog when it chases you down the street and for the driver when he/she follows you in his/her car afterward.
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Squirt the owner in the face every time you go by. He's the one in charge.
This!!!

But seriously, I usually ride on country roads where there no fances and dogs like to chase cyclists for the "fun" of it.

I have been chased by many dogs and they usally give up the chase once they reach the end of their "mental" fencing.

I have tried spraying water on their face. Sometimes that works.

Other times I have stopped on my tracks, faced the dog and yelled in a loud voice NO! That has always worked (so far).

Dogs in a pack are scarier than dogs alone.

Good luck!

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Let the doggie have it's fun. You're probably the best part of it's day. The pacing poochie isn't hurting you, is it?

I would advise against taking any overtly aggressive action, such as spraying, yelling, or throwing things at it. This could precipitate an actual attack, rather than just fun and games. Have you tried just telling the little fella "No! Bad Dog" in a commanding tone? Or how about "Go home!", "Stop!", or something similar.

There seems to be no reason to escalate the incident. Maybe you are just not much of a dog-person. Anyway, the dog is not doing anything wrong, and it is staying within it's boundaries, so the problem is with you. Learn to relate to the dog, or pick another route.
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The dog hasn't crossed the line, so to speak, with his behavior to warrant any action on your part.

You are being overly concerned/proactive at this point.

Once he crosses the line, then a water bottle squirt may be warranted, but until then the dog is just being a dog and is of no threat to you.

I had an issue with a dog for months. He was a boxer, pit bull mix. He would either chase me down the street, or come at me from the front, in the middle of the street. He was intent on biting me. The water bottle trick worked to stop him several times, but it didn't "train" him. Then pepper spray worked to stop him, but he would try again the next day. I kicked him a few times, nothing worked. It was 4am in an unincorporated area, so animal control wasn't available. When they got around to it in the morning, several hours later, the dog was always locked in the front yard. It came to the point that I decided my only option was to shoot him.

Instead I just changed routes.
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appropriately haranguing
There's nothing appropriate about a dog barking at someone on a public street.
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Yrs ago I changed my commute to shortcut thru a neighborhood. As I passed an open yard a medium sized dog hopped up and gave chase. He followed me all the way to the end of the block never getting closer than about 10 ft. As we went along I would say "Good dog" and pedaled faster grinning at him.

The next day he gave chase but didn't even get within 20 ft. The third day he ran to the edge of his yard and barked, once. The next time I went that way he just looked up, thumped his tail and yipped.

I have seen dogs that I was convinced were going to attack me. But it's a subjective call. You have to decide for yourself.

Usually I carry pepper spray. I feel if just spraying water is going to stop the dog he is not that serious anyway. If he's serious, so am I. That said I am not going to spray a dog in his own yard fence or not.

If he bothers you that much there are two ways to handle it. First call the law as you already mentioned. Or ask the owner to introduce you and spend a few minutes playing with the dog so he knows you. He will probably still chase you but you will both feel better about it.

Just my 2 cents.
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Man, society is getting soft. Just ride on, what's the big deal?
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