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    In pursuit of a well rounded bike

    Hey everyone,

    I'm new to the forum, but I'm an experienced cyclist. Im only 15, but I've been on wheels since I could walk. I actively ride BMX and I enjoy an ocassional distance ride on my road bike.

    I really want a bike that has the following specifications, if possible:

    - Speed of a road bike or close to it

    - Durability to the extent that I can confidently jump up and down curbs and ride on relatively rough terrain

    - Under 30 lbs.

    - Not ugly... Most of the commuter bikes are super
    Ugly... I really want something that at least isnt bad looking ..

    - semi-knobby tires

    My main use will be simply to get around town(Dallas) and ocassionally ride for pleasure.

    Please comment and make suggestions.
    Thanks in advance.
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    The ideal bike is probably the one you build up for your requirements.
    There are a couple of styles that may work well:
    Non suspension MTB
    Cyclo cross
    Tourer.
    Road bike (with long drop caliper brakes)
    On flat terrain you may not need lots of gears. You can simplify the bike using singlespeed or fixed gear. Look for a frame with horizontal rear dropouts so you can tension the chain.
    You probably need a frame with threaded eyelets for rack and fenders.
    The last option: road bike , is one that uses long drop brakes so you can fit medium tyres. These are sometimes called winter training or light-touring bikes.

    Surley seem to specialize in these general-purpose all-round useful bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tri King View Post
    Hey everyone,

    I'm new to the forum, but I'm an experienced cyclist. Im only 15, but I've been on wheels since I could walk. I actively ride BMX and I enjoy an ocassional distance ride on my road bike.

    I really want a bike that has the following specifications, if possible:

    - Speed of a road bike or close to it

    - Durability to the extent that I can confidently jump up and down curbs and ride on relatively rough terrain

    - Under 30 lbs.

    - Not ugly... Most of the commuter bikes are super
    Ugly... I really want something that at least isnt bad looking ..

    - semi-knobby tires

    My main use will be simply to get around town(Dallas) and ocassionally ride for pleasure.

    Please comment and make suggestions.
    Thanks in advance.
    --
    Sam
    I'd suggest a high end hardtail mountain bike. You could use either a lockable front fork or a rigid front fork...I'd suggest the former. If you run hard pack semislicks on it like the Schwalbe CX Comp, you can do some pretty rough mountain biking with it while running relatively fast on the street.
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    If you are capable of building up your own, get a hardtail mountain bike frame in a larger size so it more resembles a road bike and build it up to your liking. It will be fast, durable and have options of different size tires. I would recommend a 26in wheel as these accelerate quicker and come close to the top speed of a road bike and you can use semi knobby or slicks or both on an as needed basis. Kind of what mine looks like in my avatar.
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    I'm not sure what you mean by semi-knobby tires. My guess is that knobs on tires are the single biggest factor in slowing down a bicycle. So if you want a reasonably fast bicycle, you want reasonably smooth tires. And if you plan to ride the bicycle mostly on pavement, you don't really want knobs. If you're careful and they aren't too narrow, slicks work fine on gravel, dirt and grass, although not so well in mud.

    I agree with MichaelW's suggestions. Your typical contemporary road bike won't fit wide enough tires. A mountain bike with smooth tires and drops would work, and a touring or sport touring bicycle would be great.

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    Knobs on pavement also make your traction worse, as your contact patch is much smaller; see Sheldon:

    http://sheldonbrown.com/tires.html

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    Check out cyclocross bikes. They are like beefy road bikes with larger tires, and can take a lot of abuse.

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    I'll also say that cyclocross bikes sound like a good match - or maybe one of the older sports tourer models/styles. Another option is buying a MTB frame and building it up with drops...I LOVE my all arounder MTB conversion and it weighs in at well under 30lbs with a ti frame and rigid steel fork with beefy wheels.

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    Another vote for cyclecross.
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    Cyclocross, touring, or fully rigid mountain bike with 2 sets of wheels. One set of wheels set up with knobbies & the other with slicks or semi-slicks. The choice of cyclocross or mountain bike depends on how wide of tires you wan't to be able to run. If you aren't going to run much wider than 35's then cyclocross would probably be better. If around 2" or more, then a mountain bike or some of the tours that take 26" wheels (Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker). If you are building or having a shop build, and want wide tires but also lots of speed on the road, you can set up a mountain bike with drop bars. Soma has some 2009 & 2011 Groove frames for sale on the website http://store.somafab.com/mtbframes.html.

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    I'm not sure why anyone suggested anything but cyclcocross bikes. The OP posted a fairly precise description of a CX bike (except maybe the "not ugly" part).

    Check out the Kona Jake or Redline Metro Classic.

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    Saw a child's 1st bike with wheels that were actually balls ..
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    Cyclocross bike would be my vote.

    The "not ugly" part depends on whether you consider road bikes or mountain bikes uglier.

    The best looking bike in the hybrid category is the Cannondale Bad Boy IMO. If the frame and fork will clear 650B mountain tires you could add a 650B wheelset for hitting rougher trails. This could probably be done with a lot of disc brake hybrids and cross bikes. Here's what I'm talking about.

    http://www.bikeman.com/bikeman-blogs...50b-conversion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
    I'm not sure why anyone suggested anything but cyclcocross bikes. The OP posted a fairly precise description of a CX bike (except maybe the "not ugly" part).

    Check out the Kona Jake or Redline Metro Classic.
    Because there are other options that fit his criteria?

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    Redline Metro. I have the sport but the classic is even nicer.
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    Im happy to hear people suggesting hardtail mtbs... Although a front shock will slightly impair my hill climbing ability, they are pretty versatile. I am definitely capable and open yo building a bike.

    A rigid mtb frame could be a nice place to start. I could make it a 7 or 10 speed. With one gear in the front... A lot less could break with no front derailur/gears.

    Im completely amazed by the community on this forum. I definitely plan to become and active member. Everyone is so knowledgable and willing to help.

    I ride moutain bikes every weekend with a buddy of mine who has a Fisher Mamba. I like his hike a lot, but it doesnt hop very well..

    In a perfect world, I would have a mtb with road tires(not slicks, not small, but for the road... Hybridish.) i ride dirt jumps sometimes, so it needs to be strong, but my main concernt is maneuverability. I want to be able to control it confidently.

    Thank yall so much for your advice. I appreciate it very much. Can anyone articulate on their suggestions based on this post?
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    Cannondale Hooligan w/BMX tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
    Cannondale Hooligan w/BMX tires.
    The hooligan seems like its a bike that u either love or hate... It doesnt really look like my style. Maybe itd he good for tooling around to starbucks and back, but the wheels would get be hard to pedal and not as effort rewarding. Similarly the standover would get annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tri King View Post
    Im happy to hear people suggesting hardtail mtbs... Although a front shock will slightly impair my hill climbing ability, they are pretty versatile. I am definitely capable and open yo building a bike.

    A rigid mtb frame could be a nice place to start. I could make it a 7 or 10 speed. With one gear in the front... A lot less could break with no front derailur/gears.

    Im completely amazed by the community on this forum. I definitely plan to become and active member. Everyone is so knowledgable and willing to help.

    I ride moutain bikes every weekend with a buddy of mine who has a Fisher Mamba. I like his hike a lot, but it doesnt hop very well..

    In a perfect world, I would have a mtb with road tires(not slicks, not small, but for the road... Hybridish.) i ride dirt jumps sometimes, so it needs to be strong, but my main concernt is maneuverability. I want to be able to control it confidently.

    Thank yall so much for your advice. I appreciate it very much. Can anyone articulate on their suggestions based on this post?
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    A good suspension fork won't impact your hill climbing ability at all. It will actually enhance your hill climbing ability off-road. On road, a good suspension fork won't have too much of an impact either. The problem is with finding a 'good' suspension fork. There are suspension forks on everything from HelMart BSOs to carbon super bikes. However there are only 'good' suspension forks on bikes nearer the high end of the spectrum. Look for an air fork with a lockout. Fox is about the best I've found but you pay for the best. Rock Shox are okay if you are fairly light weight but if you are over 170 lb or so, the lockout function isn't all that positive. Manitou isn't bad in my experience either. Not as plush as a Fox but it's half the price too.

    Lots of people jump mountain bikes for very long distances, however the dynamics are different from your BMX. It's a longer heavier bike vs a lighter shorter bike. It just takes different skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tri King View Post
    Got a spare $8K laying around? Nice bike but you probably should be looking at college
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    If you're open to something more road-ish this could work.

    http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za...ODUCT.ID=10924

    Here's a picture of my On One Il Pompino when I first built it up.



    The newer version has slightly longer chainstays to fit bigger tires. 35mm is the recommended max I think. The glow in the dark neon paint was limited edition.

    With wide flat or riser bars and V-brakes it would be a pretty idea urban knockaround bike if you're open to the singlespeed thing. It takes a 120mm rear wheel (standard track), so you can run it fixed gear easily too. Hard to see, but there's a gusset on the downtube. It has braze-ons for a rear rack and fenders. I've done some mountain bike trails on it, and I race cross in the singlespeed category on it. One of my favorite bikes, and cheap to boot.

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