Movimento 5 Stelle (M5S)
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Crime is a problem and very few people will even leave a car parked in the street overnight unless a private security guard is on duty for the street. But the risk factor there is similar to Montreal in that you can't leave a decent bike outside unattended for long periods of time without attracting thieves. So the key word is 'unattended'.
The only two places the bike will be locked up are: at a cafe (there's a short list of places we stop off at) and at shopping centers. At a cafe the lock is only to prevent an 'opportunistic' thief from grabbing the bike and riding off. Shopping centers are 'gated communities' with guards at entrances. Cars and bicycles are given a ticket - the serial no of the bike is written on the ticket. There's a bike rack beside the guard post.
The reason for the Bordo is that it can be attached right across the handlebars using an HED adjustable Lolipop on the stem. Plain view and a reminder to use it. The light version makes it as little extra weight to carry around as possible. It has the same rating as the other models. The combination means there's no key to forget and more than one person can use them.
So if the girls decide to go out on their own ocassionally - chances are highest they'll use them and have no issues. Private security, military street patrols and police presence are pretty good in the area near the Unicentro we live in so risks of a mugging are pretty slim. If that sounds foreboding - the police and military are much less taken with 'posturing' than in North America and its quite common for them to say 'hi' when you pass them in the street.
Its impossible to eliminate all risks - carjackings have taken place in Montreal. In some respects I feel safer in Cali. The lack of a large middle class has some interesting side effects - fewer drug addicts, fewer alcoholics and fewer drunk drivers on the road. And things are improving. The city of Cali recenty invested a huge sum of money in infrastructure improvements. A couple more years and I expect to move down permanently. OK - maybe we'll vacation in Canada during the summer. It gets pretty rainy in Colombia that time of year.
There are actually organized bicycle rides every week and some streets are closed to traffic so cyclists can just have fun. Very much like Ottawa and Toronto in Canada.
Last edited by Burton; 01-18-13 at 04:13 PM.
Thanks for the reply, Burton; I certainly get where you're coming from. I was also interested to hear your thoughts because a buddy and I working on a cyclotouring trip, and SoAm destinations are high on the list. I think we're leaning towards southern Brazil's wine country down into Uruguay because, well, it's wine country!
Chaad--'95 DeKerf Team SL, '02 Lemond Buenos Aires, '05 Novara Buzz, '73 Schwinn Collegiate, '06 Mountain Cycle Rumble, '09 Dahon Mariner D7, '12 Mercier Nano, '12 Breezer Venturi
Does anyone know if this lock can be cut with bolt cutters? I live in a low theft area where 95% of people with bike locks are using cable locks that can be cut by bolt cutters, which is why I've always opted for a U-lock instead.
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Does anyone know if this lock can be cut with bolt cutters?
Not likely with the usual 2 foot long handled ones . 6 foot would be different..
Go to Bike Radar's site, they Did Destructive Testing on locks.
they did what it needed to defeat them and rated how hard it was, and what it took..
But when he got back, he found that some enterprising individual had taken the front fork(Fox), and handle bars (FSA) complete with XT shifters and levers. All that took was an allan key and some cable cutters.
So if you have something worth stealing, no lock is going to protect it completely. But if you're in a low risk area, this is a lot smaller and lighter than a U-lock, lots better than a cable, better than the cheapest U-locks and not quite on par with the most expensive ones.
but... i suspect that the handles of a 24-inch bolt-cutter could be used as a lever to bust the lock. if it doesn't bust the lock, it'll just destroy the bike.
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My initial reaction is to echo your .
On the other hand, for when I leave the bike unattended in the office all day, a keyed U lock is my primary lock, with the Bordo as an auxiliary.
And for the shorter lockups in reasonable areas, as someone wiser than I noted, the main purpose of a bike lock is not to make my bike hard to steal--it's to make it harder to steal than the next guy's. I think that the Bordo probably does that pretty well, especially if the other guy has used a cable lock.
Following up on a positive note - the 'Lite' version really DOES make a U-lock feel like a boat anchor - as well as being a lot smaller and easier to find a spot for. And that handle bar stem installation strategy worked out perfectly. Leaves the water bottle mount available for a water bottle - which will be heavier and is better mounted lower down anyway.
I'm still looking for mounting alternatives for some things - this isn't one of them.
Last edited by Burton; 03-07-13 at 07:10 PM.
I use a Bordo Lite but I do realize the weakness is in the rivets. I typically use it as a secondary lock, usually for the front wheel, as a supplement to a regular ulock. I may use it as a primary lock if I'm just running into a grocery store for a quick visit, but not often.
Abus bordo are decent quality build, with a very good lock and key. So protection wise it is good. There are better solutions, but they are a bother to carry, while bordo is by no means weak lock/chain combo. Would recommend it. Paired with anoter decent wire based lock. Avoid combination locks.
Last edited by Slaninar; 03-08-13 at 02:18 AM.
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For your particular use it is more than enough. Even if you left the bike, locked in a public place, not many thieves will try to pick it, most would rather go for cutting/breaking. If you add the problem of keeping the key safe, combination lock could be the best solution for YOU. However, a decend key lock, unles thieves get a hold of a key, is harder to pick than a combinaton lock. That is why the avoid combination locks comment was made. No offence to combo-lock users meant.
Last edited by Slaninar; 03-08-13 at 05:50 AM.
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Whats enlightening is that many of the same companies offer security products for motorcycles as well as bicycles, and whats considered high end for a bicycle is still mediocre for a motorcycle. The Abus Granite Extreme Plus 59 is a $400 chain link lock that uses hardened 12mm links and weighs as much as my bike!
I still think a pitbull chained to the item is the best deterrent.
The only security is a garage (out of sight), or, if it can't be garaged, a good fat, hard chain tied to a solid anchor (post, metal fence etc).
I'd recommend the most expensive and fattest Abus chain and lock you can find. This will also be breakable, but it will take time. Thieves will look for the easiest bike to steal, so make sure your bike isn't the easiest target -that's what fat chain does. Also, Abus locks are quite difficult to pick.
In order to get to this info I have enquired experts from both sides of the law.
1) Good short read on metal, chains etc:
Try to lock the frame to something immobile, not easily cut.
Make sure chain isn't close to the ground (ie doesn't lie on the ground) so thieves can not use the ground as leverage, or use hammer/chisel to break locks/chains.
Make sure both the chain, lock and key mechanism are good. Chain is as good as it's weakest link. If you can afford, Abus stuff that is above protection level 15 (on Abus scale) is good. Don't know about other makes, but any other chain that's over 60 rockwell and a decent lock will probably do.
If your bike is apealing enough and if there is enough time, any lock/chain can be broken.
Most locks are brute forced. However, there are lockpicks. Rule of thumb:
Locks with ordinary, regular keys are most easily picked. These keys should be avoided.
Locks with "double" sided keys can be a bit more complicated.
(Double sided key)
Although all the above are not too hard to pick. This one is a bit more tricky, so look for something like that:
Look at Abus website. They have a security ranking of their own for their locks-chains. Anything above rank 15 is decent. Anything above 20, 25 is very good (but very expensive).
Hexagonal chain, over 12mm thick that is core hardened is a decent level of protection to look for. Even 10mm thick chain with the same qualities (hexagonal, core hardened) is very hard to cut with bolt cutters that fit under a jacket, especially if there's no leverage against the ground (i.e. the chain is not lying on the concrete).
5) Padlock (lock):
Make sure the chain fits tightly in the lock. Too big is not good. It will make room for leverage with a bar, or cutters. So keep it tight, if buying seperately, first get the chain you can afford, then look for a matching padlock.
Here's a decent one, about 20 euros here:
If secured properly, not left lying close to the ground and so that lock can be easily accessed, these locks can buy you quite a lot of time (if thief doesn't give up in the first place and start looking for another easier target). However, nothing is 100% safe. Make sure you don't leave an expensive (looking) bike in the same place reugularly, or for a long period of time anywhere.
Last edited by Slaninar; 03-08-13 at 08:44 AM.
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