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jamiscanuck 02-04-13 01:27 PM

How safe is my mountain bike?
 
Hello everyone! I am a teenage guy who is addicted to Mountain Biking and Riding around the city. I haven't ridden in a few weeks though because I'm paranoid about my bike getting stolen.. :notamused:

I own a Jamis Dakar XC Comp 2011, which was worth around $1700 back in 2012, but probably around 1300-1500 now. I live in the city of Vancouver, which has a pretty high bike theft rate, and is one of the biggest cities in the world. The locks I own are the Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Mini and the Kryptonite 1218 Cable lock. I have a Kryptonite New York Standard u-Lock coming in about a week or so too. It may seem like an overkill of locks, but I've heard stories of many people getting their bikes stolen even with U-Locks that are thicker than 15mm. So.. on a scale of 1-10, how safe is my bike with the first two locks, and also with all 3 locks combined? Does anyone have any locking strategies to help better secure my bike with these 3 locks? Also, do I need to fill in the screwholes on my handle bars/pedals with something so the thief can't unscrew them?

Thanks in advanced to anyone who responds!

P.S. I take my seat with me so I don't need to lock that :)

PatrickGSR94 02-04-13 02:13 PM

Use a chain or U-lock with a square cross section instead of round. Makes it much, much harder to cut with bolt cutters. Either of those can get pretty pricey and/or heavy, though.

Also might consider a cheaper and/or rougher looking bike that might not be so attractive to thieves, especially when parked next to nicer looking rides.

Daspydyr 02-04-13 02:32 PM

If a thief wants it bad enough, its real hard to keep it. Sometimes they will knock you down and ride off on it. You do have a higher quality bike, but I wouldn't call it a TARGET bike. A target bike (I work in insurance. this is an industry term, not talking about Target the store.) This is not a level of bikes where bike thieves know to look for your bike. Those usually start in the $3,500 range. The component groups, frame and other adds ons can be sold CL or used 2nd hand market. I think if you use your locks and good sense, you should be OK.

PatrickGSR94 02-04-13 02:35 PM

Putting something in fastener heads may keep thieves out, but won't it also keep YOU out? I never understood the logic of that recommendation for theft deterrent.

jamiscanuck 02-04-13 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94 (Post 15236104)
Use a chain or U-lock with a square cross section instead of round. Makes it much, much harder to cut with bolt cutters. Either of those can get pretty pricey and/or heavy, though.

Also might consider a cheaper and/or rougher looking bike that might not be so attractive to thieves, especially when parked next to nicer looking rides.

Price is not really a problem for me since my u-lock was around 100 dollars, but weight is. I want a new york legend 1590 (Which is considered to be the best chain lock in the world) but it is 10 pounds! Do you know of any way to carry a 10 pound chain lock comfortably?

cryptid01 02-04-13 03:21 PM

This thread has nothing to do with MOUNTAIN BIKING.

PatrickGSR94 02-04-13 03:30 PM

Yeah probably belongs more so in Commuting.

DMC707 02-05-13 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jamiscanuck (Post 15236236)
Price is not really a problem for me since my u-lock was around 100 dollars, but weight is. I want a new york legend 1590 (Which is considered to be the best chain lock in the world) but it is 10 pounds! Do you know of any way to carry a 10 pound chain lock comfortably?

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krobinson103 02-05-13 07:37 PM

Carrying around that much lockage defeats the purpose of commuting in my book. Just ride your toy on the weekend and ride a cheaper bike where you know there is risk. In the long term its a much safer way.

wolfchild 02-05-13 07:46 PM

If a professional bike thief wants your bike, they'll find a way to get it, nothing is 100% safe,especially in a high crime/theft area... Even with 3 locks they can still cut the bike rack and take the bike with them. Your best solution is to get a cheaper uglier bike or uglify your nice bike so that it doesn't attract attention.

Mumonkan 02-05-13 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfchild (Post 15241482)
If a professional bike thief wants your bike, they'll find a way to get it, nothing is 100% safe,especially in a high crime/theft area... Even with 3 locks they can still cut the bike rack and take the bike with them. Your best solution is to get a cheaper uglier bike or uglify your nice bike so that it doesn't attract attention.

this.

that or stop worrying so much about it. i know plenty of people that have commuted for years and years here in NYC and never had anything stolen or molested.

it comes down to the wrong a-hole at the wrong time with the right capabilities. no lock or locking system is impenetrable

fwiw: i have an expensive bike and a bike that cost me $14, i use the fugeddaboudit on both and have had no problems even in manhattan

sci_femme 02-06-13 06:07 AM

Whatever Mom says, goes.

acidfast7 02-06-13 06:11 AM

Vancouver is one of the biggest cities in the world? It about the size of Frankfurt, which is kinda dinky actually.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

locolobo13 02-06-13 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 15242574)
Vancouver is one of the biggest cities in the world? It about the size of Frankfurt, which is kinda dinky actually.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

I wouldn't call an urban area of more than 2 million people dinky.

Interesting list. On the Phoenix area I was puzzled tho. It listed the metro as Phoenix-Mesa which is fine. Looking at the footnote listed with the Phoenix metro area it is including Sierra Vista. Sierra Vista is approx. 170 miles away clean across the Tucson metro area. IMO Sierra Vista shouldn't be included in the Phoenix-Mesa population. Maybe I'm misreading it?

linus 02-06-13 07:33 AM

Toronto has 3 times the population of Vancouver and I wouldn't consider Toronto as one of the biggest cities in the world.

Anyway, your bike is relatively safe using those locks. I use either a Mini Evo or New York Standard lock and have never had an issue.

acidfast7 02-06-13 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by locolobo13 (Post 15242742)
I wouldn't call an urban area of more than 2 million people dinky.

Interesting list. On the Phoenix area I was puzzled tho. It listed the metro as Phoenix-Mesa which is fine. Looking at the footnote listed with the Phoenix metro area it is including Sierra Vista. Sierra Vista is approx. 170 miles away clean across the Tucson metro area. IMO Sierra Vista shouldn't be included in the Phoenix-Mesa population. Maybe I'm misreading it?

Probably not. I find the western cities in the US very expansive. I think Houston is 160km across.

Yeah, Frankfurt is also a huge transport hub, which is nice. Flights are super cheap, trains are relatively cheap and buses are super, super, super cheap. We also have the EZB (European Central Bank) which means all the money flows through here and therefore we get nice arts/music/events/opera.

However, I do feel that it pales in comparison or "is quite dinky" compared to NYC/London/Paris/HK/Tokyo. However, it does feel bigger than than Chicago/Boston/LA from a cultural standpoint.

droy45 02-06-13 08:30 AM

With the amount of locks you have, I believe you will be fine. Although you have a really nice bike, it would take a substantial amount of effort the break through those locks and other bikes will be easier to steal. Some people advise to get a cheap beater to commute with and thats smart logic but I can certainly understand your situation where you want to ride that nice bike. I would ride it, enjoy it, and lock it up well. I have never been in an area with that type of problem so I'm not the best for giving advice on that topic. I never lock mine up in front of my office during the day, but if I did that at night, the bike would be gone.

SouthFLpix 02-06-13 08:43 AM

If you use the locks you mentioned the only 'reasonable' way for someone to steal your bike is with the use of power tools, which will cut through any lock. I think you're pretty safe as long as you don't leave it out overnight.

GrouchoWretch 02-06-13 08:47 AM

It depends on when and where you leave it locked.

Any bike can and will be stolen if its location gives the thief an opportunity to work on it unobserved.

Thieves will climb onto 2nd and 3rd story apartment balconies for bikes.

If they want the components, and the lock is hard to beat, they'll just cut the frame.


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