Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-07-13, 04:38 PM   #1
wobbooze
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: New York
Bikes:
Posts: 180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Next bike, steel frame?

Hi guys, thinking about getting a new bike, really into the whole steel look. Looking to go with the Bianchi Imola. Any thoughts on that make and company as a whole? Wondering why it's so hard to come by steel frames at bike shops. Are they inferior in some way? How much heavier would an Imola be compared to a cannondale bad boy 9?
wobbooze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 04:52 PM   #2
stayfed
Senior Member
 
stayfed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Portland Oregon
Bikes: Stigmata. Bronson. Macho Man. Big Block. King Cobra
Posts: 182
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Theres an abundance of aluminum and carbon these days but there is nothing better than a good steel frame. I just built up a Affinity 212. I haven't weighed it yet but it's really light. I could definitely pick up the bike and throw it across the street with no problem. haha.
stayfed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 05:22 PM   #3
Trower
Bus Stop Ratbag
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Northern Maine
Bikes:
Posts: 54
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
All my rides are no steel, soo stinking comfy! My "fun" roadbike is an 84 or 85 Bridgstone that I rebuilt with a modern wheelset. Its a 61cm and is only a bit over 17 pounds. Unless I spent really big money I couldn't better that anyhow!

My commuters are both steel, have a Cargo bike, and an 70's Peugot frame. The Peugot is nice in that it has nice relaxed geometry and clearance for big snow tires.

I've had too many Aluminum frames breakdown or fail to use them as an everyday bike, plus there just so stinking uncomfortable in comparison to steel. Carbon is just too fragile to make a good commuter or townie.

But in answer to your question, Carbon is cheap, and so is Aluminum in compairison to Steel, so bike company's make more money on them.
Trower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 06:07 PM   #4
treadtread
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: SF Bay Area
Bikes: 2012 Specialized Sirrus
Posts: 1,254
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
treadtread is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 06:23 PM   #5
koolerb
Senior Member
 
koolerb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Upstate NY
Bikes: Giant Defy 1, and some others
Posts: 891
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Plenty of steel bike out there if you like downtube shifters. With modern components, not so much.
koolerb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 06:31 PM   #6
dynaryder
PatronSaintOfDiscBrakes
 
dynaryder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: BicycleSPACE warehouse in SW Washington DC
Bikes:
Posts: 6,983
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by stayfed View Post
there is nothing better than a good steel frame.
Titanium. Stronger than steel,doesn't rust,don't need to paint it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trower View Post
I've had too many Aluminum frames breakdown or fail to use them as an everyday bike, plus there just so stinking uncomfortable in comparison to steel. Carbon is just too fragile to make a good commuter or townie.

My all aluminum Otis survived bike polo with only scratches in the paint. I've seen two steel frames and two steel forks belonging to friends fail;all were street bikes that weren't used offroad or for polo.
__________________

C'dale BBU('05 and '09)/Super Six/Hooligan8and 3,Kona Dew Deluxe,Novara Buzz/Safari,Surly Big Dummy,Marin Pt Reyes,Giant Defy 1,Schwinn DBX SuperSport,Dahon Speed Pro TT,Brompton S6L/S2E-X
dynaryder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 06:42 PM   #7
weshigh
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: All-City Space Horse!
Posts: 600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by koolerb View Post
Plenty of steel bike out there if you like downtube shifters. With modern components, not so much.
That is not true at all. It took me less than 1 min to pull up a modern steel frame bike with brifters and 105. The Bianchi he is talking about has modern components and no downtube shifting.
weshigh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 06:52 PM   #8
RGNY
Senior Member
 
RGNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Utica,NY,USA
Bikes:
Posts: 1,526
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
prefer steel. my primary ride is the All City Nature Boy.

(but i confess that my back up is a Ridley Crossbow, alu/carbon. the only non-steel in the stable)
RGNY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 06:56 PM   #9
phillybill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: phlia
Bikes: paratrooper, bullhead, cdale bad boy
Posts: 819
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I just picked up a Fuji touring frame from nashbar for a bit over 100.00 paired with a soma tange fork. Had it out thismm
Morning for the first time. Was a great ride.
phillybill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 06:57 PM   #10
koolerb
Senior Member
 
koolerb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Upstate NY
Bikes: Giant Defy 1, and some others
Posts: 891
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by weshigh View Post
That is not true at all. It took me less than 1 min to pull up a modern steel frame bike with brifters and 105. The Bianchi he is talking about has modern components and no downtube shifting.
I would have to disagree. I'll bet if I counted all the new, steel, geared, drop bar road bikes at my six local bike shops there would be less than 10; maybe less than 5.
koolerb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 07:01 PM   #11
wobbooze
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: New York
Bikes:
Posts: 180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
checking out all city bikes, pretty cool stuff
wobbooze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 07:20 PM   #12
PDX Reborn
Senior Member
 
PDX Reborn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: PDX
Bikes:
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I highly suggest, you spray a few coats of JP Weigle framesaver inside the frame, before assembly. Some, use flaxseed oil to resist rust on a their steel frames, but I've had great success with JP over the years on all my steel bicycle and motorcycle frames.

"Steel is real!"
PDX Reborn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 07:21 PM   #13
weshigh
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: All-City Space Horse!
Posts: 600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by koolerb View Post
I would have to disagree. I'll bet if I counted all the new, steel, geared, drop bar road bikes at my six local bike shops there would be less than 10; maybe less than 5.
If we go by what a few local shops carry, then everyone will have a very different answer. The two shops I visit have very few carbon bikes and much more steel and aluminum. There are at least 15 models different model of steel road/cross bikes that that description, that are pretty common and easy to find. Yes, not all shops carry them, but there are quite a few great options available.
weshigh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 07:33 PM   #14
Burton
Certified Bike Brat
 
Burton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Bikes:
Posts: 4,251
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Aluminium is actually cheaper to mass produce frames with, carbon fiber has more technology appeal and steel .... is a sleeper.
Burton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 07:54 PM   #15
RGNY
Senior Member
 
RGNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Utica,NY,USA
Bikes:
Posts: 1,526
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wobbooze View Post
checking out all city bikes, pretty cool stuff
and they are frame-saver'ed at the factory.
RGNY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 07:56 PM   #16
wobbooze
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: New York
Bikes:
Posts: 180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
i like the space horse
wobbooze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 08:01 PM   #17
weshigh
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: All-City Space Horse!
Posts: 600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wobbooze View Post
i like the space horse
Yes, Space Horse is what I have my eye on for my next bike. I've taken a couple test rides, its only a matter of time.
weshigh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 08:04 PM   #18
RGNY
Senior Member
 
RGNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Utica,NY,USA
Bikes:
Posts: 1,526
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
if i could justify it, i'd probably go with the Mr. Pink.
RGNY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 08:18 PM   #19
rebel1916
Senior Member
 
rebel1916's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Bikes:
Posts: 2,992
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trower View Post
Carbon is just too fragile to make a good commuter or townie.
Suuuuuuuuuure it is...
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/santa-c...-test-lab.html

To the OP, go on and getcha some. Make sure it's celeste.
rebel1916 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-13, 08:29 PM   #20
Ozonation
Senior Member
 
Ozonation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ontario, Canada
Bikes: Rivendell Sam Hillborne DTT in Awesome Green; Brompton M6R (reduced gearing) in Sage Green; GT Timberline Hybrid (10 years old!)
Posts: 1,015
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by koolerb View Post
Plenty of steel bike out there if you like downtube shifters. With modern components, not so much.
Define modern. I have a Rivendell - all steel. Great bike. Bar end shifters. Made with the latest technology and metal, so I guess that's "modern". However, if you mean indexed, thumb shifters, etc., or things look complex, that's another story all together. But if you go by that definition, "modern" does not always mean better. A good steel bike is a dependable classic, modern components or not.

And no, I'm not a technophobe: I also have an aluminum fat bike with the latest components.
Ozonation is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-13, 08:01 AM   #21
puckett129
Senior Member
 
puckett129's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Albany, NY
Bikes: 80's Treks, cargo bike, Lugged LeMond, Eddy Merckx 7-11, Smoothie, All City MM disc, and some more
Posts: 434
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
Suuuuuuuuuure it is...
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/santa-c...-test-lab.html

To the OP, go on and getcha some. Make sure it's celeste.
Please don't let "facts" or "logic" get in the way of a good argument.
puckett129 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-13, 08:18 AM   #22
wobbooze
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: New York
Bikes:
Posts: 180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I was given an estimate of $1,250.00 for a 2012 Bianchi Imola.

Fair price?
wobbooze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-13, 08:19 AM   #23
wobbooze
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: New York
Bikes:
Posts: 180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Brand new btw
wobbooze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-13, 08:28 AM   #24
tarwheel 
Senior Member
 
tarwheel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC
Bikes: Waterford RST-22, Bob Jackson World Tour, Ritchey Breakaway Cross, Soma Saga, De Bernardi SL, Specialized Sequoia
Posts: 8,479
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 52 Post(s)
Carbon and aluminum have taken over bike shops because consumers have become obsessed over the weight of bikes, believing that it is a magic formula for making them faster. You can buy modern steel bikes that are as light as aluminum but they might be more prone to dent due to thin tubing. Supposedly any material can be used to design a comfortable or stiff frame, but I'm skeptical. Although design is very important, I owned one aluminum bike that was the most uncomfortable one I have ever ridden, transmitting every bump in the road into vibrations. I've vowed to never buy another aluminum bike, although I am sure that there are AL bikes designed to be comfortable. I've never owned a carbon bike but have ridden several and they felt kind of dead or wooden to me.

Steel bikes can be designed to be very comfortable, very stiff or in-between. The most comfortable bikes I have owned have been steel, although my one titanium bike is very close to steel in ride characteristics. A couple of my steel bikes have been more stiff than others due to tubing and geometry differences, but they have all been more comfortable than my one aluminum bike (which had a carbon fork). Regardless, I just like the way steel bikes feel. I started out riding steel bikes 40+ years ago and that's what feels right to me. If I had an unlimited budget for a custom frame, however, I would probably buy a ti frame due to its rust resistance and slight advantage in weight.
tarwheel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-13, 11:08 AM   #25
Ozonation
Senior Member
 
Ozonation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ontario, Canada
Bikes: Rivendell Sam Hillborne DTT in Awesome Green; Brompton M6R (reduced gearing) in Sage Green; GT Timberline Hybrid (10 years old!)
Posts: 1,015
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tarwheel View Post
Carbon and aluminum have taken over bike shops because consumers have become obsessed over the weight of bikes, believing that it is a magic formula for making them faster. You can buy modern steel bikes that are as light as aluminum but they might be more prone to dent due to thin tubing.
Spot on - good point. Although not everybody likes what he says, I think Grant Petersen of Rivendell had an excellent point: if you're that concerned about weight, you're better off lightening the engine (you), rather than the bike. Most of us could stand to lose a few pounds; but a few pounds off a frame can have significant structural implications.

The exceptions are of course those who race or whose cycling needs place lightweight as a premium. But for the majority of us, a good quality, dependable bike would be more than sufficient. Besides, I suspect most of us - including me! - more than make up the difference in weight between frame types by the clothes we wear, the junk we pack along, etc.!

The obsession over bike weight reminds me of photography: everybody wanted more and more megapixels, the industry was happy to sell them on it (more money!), and of course, almost nobody prints photos much anymore, and certainly not at the size justified by the megapixels. Most people only need a 6 MP camera, and yet the average consumer camera is now double or triple that. For what? Bragging rights mostly. Most people would be better off spending the extra money not on high-end and often dubious features they'll never use, but instead on some basic photography lessons... so that you don't do what I saw on a recent trip to Paris where another tourist was trying to shoot Notre Dame at night while on a moving boat 2 km away using his pop up flash. I wanted to walk over and slam the flash down.... (bad me...)
Ozonation is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:28 AM.