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    Remember when they used to scare you in middle school about stuff going on your "permanent record"? Yah like that's gonna happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    You wanna guess how many motorists in my locale are driving on a suspended license. Locally, just a couple months ago, there was one very bad collision involving one motorist driving on a suspended license, and the other motorist was unlicensed altogether. The real loser was a (licensed) local home owner who's parked vehicle was totaled in the collision process.
    Eventually that'll change. Currently in North America you fon't need a driver's license to own a car. In Japan Inthink you need to own a parking spot before being allowed to own a car. And drinking and driving there is also treated very differently. Probably has a lot to do with population density.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    Eventually that'll change. Currently in North America you fon't need a driver's license to own a car. In Japan Inthink you need to own a parking spot before being allowed to own a car. And drinking and driving there is also treated very differently. Probably has a lot to do with population density.
    I'm not sure where this person is located, but it sounds like the third-world and is not typical of most of the US/Western Europe.

    Also, the home "owner" (if they really "owned" it rather than paying a mortgage) would also have insurance for the auto. So, what's the big deal as the "owner's" insurance will just collect from the other motorists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    I'm not sure where this person is located, but it sounds like the third-world and is not typical of most of the US/Western Europe.

    Also, the home "owner" (if they really "owned" it rather than paying a mortgage) would also have insurance for the auto. So, what's the big deal as the "owner's" insurance will just collect from the other motorists.
    Not so sure myself. That could easily have happened here in Montreal. When the brother-in-law was still actively on the police force, the station had a 'hit list' of drivers with suspended lisences and would do a drive-by to see if they could catch them behind the wheel. Couldn't stake them out as that would be harrassment. And the delivery guy fown the street had his brand new car scrapped by some woman who managed to run a stop sign in a 40 km zone, miss her turn and took out his parked car. The depreciated settlement he got from the 'insurance' company meant he had to settle for a used car in mediocre condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    I'm not sure where this person is located, but it sounds like the third-world and is not typical of most of the US/Western Europe.

    Also, the home "owner" (if they really "owned" it rather than paying a mortgage) would also have insurance for the auto. So, what's the big deal as the "owner's" insurance will just collect from the other motorists.
    This is in California, and the chances are good that the persons driving on a suspended license or unlicensed altogether, have no vehicle insurance, and the homeowner's insurance will generally have an uninsured motorist added to their policy. The homeowner is lucky that the two motorists in question could not leave the scene since one of the vehicles was piled on top of the other two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrozombie View Post
    Remember when they used to scare you in middle school about stuff going on your "permanent record"? Yah like that's gonna happen
    These days, you may have a point. More and more employers are using extensive background searches on ALL applicants. The background searches are getting more evasive so companies can weed out, troubled individuals that can effect the company's, image and bottom line.
    So, what does your driving record say about you?

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    I don't think cycling offenses should go on your driving record. They are not the same type of vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent pombero View Post
    I don't think cycling offenses should go on your driving record. They are not the same type of vehicle.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent pombero View Post
    I don't think cycling offenses should go on your driving record. They are not the same type of vehicle.
    LOL Driving offences affect your PILOT'S license and they're not the same kind of vehicle either. The point being - if you're not safe with one kind of vehicle on a shared route - why let you drive or pilot something you can do a lot more damage with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    LOL Driving offences affect your PILOT'S license and they're not the same kind of vehicle either. The point being - if you're not safe with one kind of vehicle on a shared route - why let you drive or pilot something you can do a lot more damage with?
    because reasonable people understand that those types of vehicles are capable of causing more damage. These reasonable people understand that a bicycle is a minimal threat on the road. The biggest risk is to the rider his or herself.

    As I've mentioned in another thread a few months ago, I used to work above a very popular bike route at an intersection. Hundreds of cyclists within my shift would pass through the intersection. About 50% would go through the red light when it was safe to do so. There was never an accident because of this in the years of working there.

    I bike w/ a lot of people who are also drivers. Like me, these people will roll through stop signs and stop lights. Their behavior completely changes when we are driving together....because they understand the risks that a more dangerous vehicle is capable of. They always come to complete stops at stop signs and never go through a red light.

    Behavior isn't static, it is highly variable depending on the situation. There is no correlation between people who run red lights on a bicycle doing the same thing in their car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    LOL Driving offences affect your PILOT'S license and they're not the same kind of vehicle either. The point being - if you're not safe with one kind of vehicle on a shared route - why let you drive or pilot something you can do a lot more damage with?
    OMG! Are you serious?

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    I deleted a couple of posts that commented on the prison system and state budget so this thread doesn't get derailed to P&R.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrozombie View Post
    Remember when they used to scare you in middle school about stuff going on your "permanent record"? Yah like that's gonna happen
    Apply for a job with the popo and that permanent record actually comes to light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    I'm not sure where this person is located, but it sounds like the third-world and is not typical of most of the US/Western Europe.

    Also, the home "owner" (if they really "owned" it rather than paying a mortgage) would also have insurance for the auto. So, what's the big deal as the "owner's" insurance will just collect from the other motorists.
    Not necessarily. And there's a big difference between liability car insurance and full coverage that pays for the car being totalled. Most people in the US don't have the latter. Even if you do have insurance that would cover it, sometimes it's not even worth it because the insurance company is just about guaranteed to raise your rates steeply, costing you more in the long run unless it was a brand new car.
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    What a racket...

    glad I don't drive. I'll continue being a freeloader on the roadways ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent pombero View Post
    because reasonable people understand that those types of vehicles are capable of causing more damage. These reasonable people understand that a bicycle is a minimal threat on the road. The biggest risk is to the rider his or herself.

    As I've mentioned in another thread a few months ago, I used to work above a very popular bike route at an intersection. Hundreds of cyclists within my shift would pass through the intersection. About 50% would go through the red light when it was safe to do so. There was never an accident because of this in the years of working there.

    I bike w/ a lot of people who are also drivers. Like me, these people will roll through stop signs and stop lights. Their behavior completely changes when we are driving together....because they understand the risks that a more dangerous vehicle is capable of. They always come to complete stops at stop signs and never go through a red light.

    Behavior isn't static, it is highly variable depending on the situation. There is no correlation between people who run red lights on a bicycle doing the same thing in their car.
    Really? So you think my neighbor, an alcoholic of some 30 years, who finally managed to stay sober long enough to get a driver's license after 4 failed attempts, is suddenly going to become a responsible citizen when he gets behind the wheel of a car?

    This guy orders 6 king cans every morning from the depanneur, drinks illegally in the park down the street when out on a bicycle, and drinks while driving a car. Should I send him your way? Ooooopps! You're safe - because of a lengthy criminal record - he's not allowed in the USA. See? Your government does try to protect you!

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    What is a cycling offence ??.. Cyclist should never be fined for anything, unless they maim or hurt another person...which happens very rarely. Cars kill and maim a lot more people then bicycles.
    Last edited by wolfchild; 03-10-13 at 05:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    Really? So you think my neighbor.....
    he failed the reasonable person test

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    What is a cycling offence ??.. Cyclist should never be fined for anything, unless they maim or hurt another person...which happens very rarely. Cars kill and maim a lot more people then bicycles.
    At least theres one Canuck that gets it

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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    the EU has an anti-spoiler law so that when a cyclist is hit and let go over the car, they won't be decapitated.

    compare the spoiler on the US-spec and JPN-spec MK IV Supra and the EU-spec model
    That spoiler specs can apply to pedestrians as well.


    Side impact bars, interior airbags, extensive front crumple zones, and high strength cockpit caging were not design to protect vehicle occupants from marauding cyclists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDX Reborn View Post
    OMG! Are you serious?
    You sound surprised! Don't you wanna feel safe in an airplane?https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...airmen_duidwi/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    You sound surprised! Don't you wanna feel safe in an airplane?https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...airmen_duidwi/
    Nah, just that you don't seem to grasp the MAJOR differences, between a bicycle and an airplane/car. One, is tiny and slow, in comparison to the other

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    What is a cycling offence ??.. Cyclist should never be fined for anything, unless they maim or hurt another person...which happens very rarely. Cars kill and maim a lot more people then bicycles.
    LOL Really? There was an article in the paper here the other day about a fixie guy that got several hundred dollars of tickets in the mail for running multiple stop signs, having no brakes or reflectors and for giving the ticketing officer the finger. He plans on contesting. His logic? His friends drove their cars like a@@holes and don't get ticketed - do why should he?

    Right. There was a high speed two-car collision in a tunnel on the expressway here yesterday that killed one and critically injured four other people. Everyone knew each other and it is believed the people, all in their twenties, were road racing.

    Yeah - I guess you're right. We should wait till people die before deciding there's a problem. Wanna volunteer ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDX Reborn View Post
    Nah, just that you don't seem to grasp the MAJOR differences, between a bicycle and an airplane/car. One, is tiny and slow, in comparison to the other
    And YOU don't seem to grasp that its the driver getting the ticket - not the vehicle
    Just the fact that you have an issue with sonething that isn't up for a vote and already a legal requirement just demonstrates that you have no respect for anyones rights but your own. And this is a situation where your opinion also doesn't count - you'll just have to live with the fact that you can't always do whatever you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton View Post
    And YOU don't seem to grasp that its the driver getting the ticket - not the vehicle
    Just the fact that you have an issue with sonething that isn't up for a vote and already a legal requirement just demonstrates that you have no respect for anyones rights but your own. And this is a situation where your opinion also doesn't count - you'll just have to live with the fact that you can't always do whatever you want.
    So, with that logic. If I loose my drivers license, I should also loose my right to ride a pedal bike?

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