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Yes I carry 37 17.29%
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Old 02-12-05, 11:23 PM   #1
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Do you carry a gun?

I have it setup as a poll so you don't have to actually say if you do or don't. I'm just curious as to who carries a gun while commuting. If you WOULD, but DON'T explain WHY if you want to thanks.
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Why on EARTH would you carry a gun on your commute? You're probably not any safer in a car - do you pack heat when you're caged, too? (Generic 'you,' not specific).

Honestly, I think that part of what makes guns dangerous is that, if you've got one, your inclination is going to be more towards using, rather than just getting the hell out of a bad situation. Guns make you feel ten feet tall and covered with hair, and as a result you might just neglect to go with the safer option, which is to get out of Dodge.

Of course, this is coming from the guy who wouldn't even bother with pepper spray... anyway, this all just my opinion, and I have no interest in getting into a debate over it. Obviously, your mileage may vary with regard to carrying a weapon, but that's how I feel about it.
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everyone is entitled to their opinion...I'm sure atleast 1 person on here will admit they carry one.
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Old 02-12-05, 11:46 PM   #4
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Why on EARTH would you carry a gun on your commute? You're probably not any safer in a car - do you pack heat when you're caged, too? (Generic 'you,' not specific).

Honestly, I think that part of what makes guns dangerous is that, if you've got one, your inclination is going to be more towards using, rather than just getting the hell out of a bad situation. Guns make you feel ten feet tall and covered with hair, and as a result you might just neglect to go with the safer option, which is to get out of Dodge.

Of course, this is coming from the guy who wouldn't even bother with pepper spray... anyway, this all just my opinion, and I have no interest in getting into a debate over it. Obviously, your mileage may vary with regard to carrying a weapon, but that's how I feel about it.
Ditto!

Not only do guns escalate situations beyond what would've normally happened... THEY'RE FRIGGIN' HEAVY! I'm not a weight-wennie, but I wouldn't bother carrying even a small gun. A weapon is dead weight.
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Though some situations might call for it, the odds of you needing a gun in 99.99995% of most situations are slim to nil.
If you live in a neighborhood where you need a gun to defend yourself, chances are it's easier for the assialiants to run you over in their car than to aim the gun.
A gun is a HUGE responsibility. I vote no.
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I'm glad I don't carry on the bike. I believe I would be in prison now if I did. For three years I lived in a neighborhood (I know, stupid, but I have a good, if windy explanation) where I was the object of regular attacks, having bottles thrown at me, a few robbery attempts, being shaken down by gangs, one time trying violently (but unsuccessfully) to get my bike. But these guys didn't have firearms... I don't think and I know myself... I studied marksmanship from a very young age, but I never studied police techniques or Massad Ayoob's theories about making the firearm a reflex action in the RIGHT situations, but avoiding it if the threat is not appropriate. So, knowing hothead and very reliable marksman me, I'd be languishing in the big house. And I do have a .380 and a Sig-Sauer P226 with the extended magazine, the latter is definitely too heavy for biking... In another world I'd like to have the PPK.

PS I mostly agree with Grolby except about the hair.

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Old 02-13-05, 12:34 AM   #7
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I have it setup as a poll so you don't have to actually say if you do or don't. I'm just curious as to who carries a gun while commuting. If you WOULD, but DON'T explain WHY if you want to thanks.
This has been discussed MANY times and NEVER ends well. It's almost as bad as a helmet thread
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What's going to happen, a showdown with a Hummer? Shoot out the tires? Or just threaten the soccer mom who's having a bad day?

Guns are escalationist. Carry one, increase your chances of getting shot.
And, I deal with guns every day, BTW.
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Only if I wanted to end up on charges! Up here I couldn't own a pistol if I wanted to. About the only thing I could legally own/register would be a hunting rifle or .22 - and I think a long-barrel Winchester shotgun would look a little conspicuous on the morning commute. Besides, the only thing I have to worry about are protestors as I go onto campus...

Aside from that, years of data show that persons most likely to get shot in robbery, home invasion, etc, are those who try to respond with a firearm. About the only people who get away with it, statistically, are those trained well in firearm use - police officers, for instance....
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I use to ride with a friend who carried a small gun in his fanny pack.. He never showed it to anyone but most of his friends new he had it.. It never really bothered anyone in our group of riders but there was a group ride we did where a confrontation emerged and just him showing his badge made the offending driver back off.. This situation made us think that it was a good thing that he had a gun but the situation never escalated to the point of him actually brandishing the weapon..
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Out in the country. I carry Guard Alaska Bearspray, I live where it could be a couple of hours(even more) for help to arrive.

I would love to have the 308 or the 12 gauge with me. I would use it on a pack of coy dogs. On a person no way!

If you come onto my property looking for trouble and I asked you to leave then you don't?

Look out! Maybe the first warning shot will get your attention!
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Oh boy I sound like a redneck.
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Old 02-13-05, 05:30 AM   #13
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I live in a safe, stable democracy where even after 50 years of Soviet occupation people aren't paranoid enough to carry guns. Sure, there is crime, but is does property crime give reason and cause to carry firearms?

Why would one carry a gun? I love my bikes, but I'm not going to kill anyone over them. If you have a confriation with an idiot be an adult and ride away. I've had people try and steal my bike while riding in the States. Do I still have my bike? Yes. Did I need a gun? No. Grow up, you don't live in a war zone.
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This has been discussed MANY times and NEVER ends well. It's almost as bad as a helmet thread
Maybe we should have yet another poll.
Which is more dangerous:
  • Riding without a gun?
  • Riding without a helmet?
Then, for good measure, we could ask people to apply Vechicular Cycling techniques to the question.

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Old 02-13-05, 07:14 AM   #15
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NO, I live in a safe country/city/community (Canada/Ottawa/Manor Park). For example, when I moved here this past summer the crime report for my little area listed three bicycles as stolen and only one was locked! Murder rate for Ottawa 2004 was 6 so guns are not needed nor are they allowed - and I like it that way. People with guns kill people. Just say no to guns!
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There is one person who said yes. I cant figure out who it is
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Old 02-13-05, 08:11 AM   #17
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People who own/carry hand guns should be shot, many of them are as well as their children.

I usually don’t go into the political thing on a bike commuter board, but this is so stupid I can’t take it.

Dayton Daily News 2/12/2005

Boy, 4, shot, killed at home


Dayton homicide detectives are investigating the shooting death that apparently occurred in the basement of the home. The full name of the deceased was not released.
Lt. Mike Wilhelm said the boy was among several children playing in the house.
He said it was not clear who fired the semiautomatic handgun shortly after 4 p.m. He also said two adults were in the house.
Wilhelm said the boy was carried upstairs to the porch and children ran to neighbors to call 911.
"There were lots of kids yelling lots of things," he said. "We are not sure who had the gun in hand. ? We had a lot of confused children and no straight story."
Neighbor Kesha Kirk said several children ran to her house to report the shooting and to ask for help.
"They were yelling, 'Little Donny's dead, little Donny's dead,' " said Kirk, who lives at 745 Taylor St.
Kirk said the family's oldest son "had blood on his shirt," from carrying the child to the porch.
Friend of the family Denise Harris Wood said medics attempted to work on the child.
"They couldn't bring him back," she said. "An innocent baby, laying here dead."
She said the children told her the boy's 12-year-old brother was playing with the gun and put it on a shelf.
Some of the children said the 4-year-old picked up the gun, while others said the 12-year-old accidently shot the boy.
Wood said the boy was "so cute. So adorable. He was no stranger to nobody."
The child's death was the second Wood has been involved with since September, when she was at a party where Dayton Daily News reporter Derek Ali was killed.
"I stayed at his side," outside the community center on Lakeridge Park in Arlington Courts until medics and police arrived.
"I'm in shock," she said. "Another death by gun. Jesus, another one."
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Beautiful, just beautiful! Thank you.
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Guns are a tool which must be used and applied with great care. Choosing to possess a gun carries a tremendous amount of responsibility, including safe use, safe storage and knowing when you can use it legally.

If you chose to carry a gun, all of that responsibility is yours and yours alone. Screw up and the consequences can be severe and permanent.

If you don't think you want any part of a gun, then that is your choice. If you decide a gun is for you and you are willing to accept the responsibility for it, then that too is your choice.

I carry one every day at work. Frankly, however, I could never see myself carrying one when I'm riding.
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People with guns kill people. Just say no to guns!

People with guns kill people. People with cars kill people. People with medical degrees kill more people per year than the first two combined. We only do anything about the first two of these.
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Here's one example of just one of the problems from carrying a gun.

I knew a guy who carried one on the bike on his regular route without a permit to carry. His route went by a location where a crime had taken place. He's a little suspicious looking, so the cops stopped him and questioned him. He spent a few days in jail, and now has a record.
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Bullets kill people not guns.
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No I don't carry, guns are too heavy!
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I prefer to chop people up with machete`s- it is far more satisfying seeing the blood really spurting and hearing their cries of terror.

Only joking I hate these gun threads.
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Cars kill people, so I think we should outlaw them too. While we are at it, why not ban acrylic fingernails since they can be a weapon too! Large acrylic nail, sensitive man parts, I think you get the picture.

Guns are not the issue. Stupid people are the issue. Thousands of children grow up in households with guns without incident. A nice gun safe isn't that expensive.

Because of you damn liberals I can't even take a gun safety class in my county. I think that if gun safety classes were more easily available everyone would be better off. One day I am going to inherit a bunch of shotguns and rifles (some of them are my great grandfather's, so they are very special family heirlooms) and I want to be prepared. But liberals limit access to gun knowledge, increasing the chances of an accident. Not good!
Eh, this liberal doesn't feel that way. I could not in good conscience call for elimination of gun safety classes or gun ownership. I can certainly urge people to be reasonable, though. Thousands of children have grown up safely in a household with guns. However, a lot MORE children have been killed by one of the guns in the house than by a home invader who could have been stopped with a gun. Further, someone who hears an intruder and goes to get the gun is a lot more likely to be hurt or killed than someone who hears an intruder, says "Oh ****," and sneaks out of the house and calls the police from somewhere safe.

People are free, in the US at least, to own guns. We have a whole amendment for that. So I just ask people if they REALLY need it. If you own a gun for range shooting, or hunting, why not take some basic safety precautions like leaving it unloaded with the ammunition in a locked drawer? That could make a much greater difference between life and death than having it ready to fire in the event of an intrusion.

And of course, on your commute, oy. There are no words. Unless you're a police officer, of course, that's kind of a no-brainer .

**EDIT** I don't mean more children have been killed by guns than the thousands who have grown up safe, I mean more children have been killed by the guns meant to protect against intruders than have been killed from intruders who could have been stopped with guns.**/EDIT**
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