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Old 06-03-13, 10:50 AM   #1
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In this thread we talk about the Panaracer Pasela

Hello,

I've read nothing but rave reviews of both the standard paselas and the ones with tourguard. I picked up some 700x32s for my single speed commuter a few months ago. After less than 65 miles, I rolled over a little bit of glass (which on most of my previous tires would have either done nothing, or punctured and flatted my tube) and the tire exploded. Loud pop and tore from the bead all the way to the center of the tread. I couldn't even boot it because it was so catastrophic. I had to make the call of shame and have a coworker come rescue me and bring me to work.

After multiple e-mails and phone calls to panaracer, they told me that the tire was cut from the outside and was not defective. Are these tires really this weak that they would fail so terribly with hardly any mileage on them?? I was really enjoying the tires up to that point.

What are you experiences with these tires?
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Old 06-03-13, 12:23 PM   #2
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I used these for a couple seasons and I found that for the price they were excellent in terms of weight, rolling resistance, and puncture resistance (I had the tourguard version). Durability was a problem, though, as the sidewalls deteriorated much quicker than any other tire I've used. I've had better luck with the rough equivalents from Continental (Top Touring) and Vittoria (Randonneur).
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Which ones were you using? Standard or Tourguard?

And what kind of glass was this to do that kind of damage? Like a half a bottle, or a spread-out field of granules?
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i have the standard. I had to go back to even see it - it was more of a spread out field of granules. The kind that you sometimes get a flat on and sometimes you don't.
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I have Paselas on a number of bikes and my experience has been good. Standard ones in 26x1.5" on my drop bar MTB and tourguards on the Crosscut in 700x32. I've had a handful of flats on the 26" tires, all from goats head thorns. None on the tourguards yet. I also put 700x35 tourguards on my wife's new bike but that's only been a few days now.

I would think your experience is just an exception. The glass hit your tire just the wrong way and you may have had the same flat with any tire under the same circumstances.
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sometimes get a flat on and sometimes you don't.
Indeed, that's the way it is with any tire.

I have 32 Pasela standards on my town bike, so far so I don't.
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The TourGuard might have fared better in this case.

Tires are a compromise -- the most durable ones will be heavy, slow, and uncomfortable. Regular Paselas are well on the other end of the spectrum -- thin sidewalls with a minimum of rubber for less rolling resistance and more comfort. And a thin rubber tread to further improve rolling resistance and weight. I accept the occasional puncture because they ride so well the rest of the time. (I keep a small roll of duct tape with me should I tear a sidewall and need to boot it to get home -- it's only happened once so far, when I caught the edge of something in the road that probably would have torn any tire.)
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Old 06-03-13, 01:38 PM   #8
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I have had great results with my tourguard 35mm tires. I average 2,000 commuter miles per year. I flat in 3 years on rough Boston area roads. What kind of psi were you running?
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Got a set of 27x1's on my fixy, best cheap tires I've owned yet.
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I had flats when running them at full pressure. Once I lowered the psi, no issues at all. I'm 165 and run 70 rear & 60 front.
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Sometimes you're just unlucky with tires. I had some Pasela TG 28s and got a flat the very first week from a large piece of glass than penetrated the kevlar lining, but then no more after that. I had a similar experience with Continental GP 4 Seasons -- a flat soon after installing and then none in a couple thousand miles of riding. Lately I have been running Vittoria Rubino Pro 25s on several bikes. I love the tires -- they are fast rolling, light weight and durable. However, one of the tires got a bad cut from a sharp rock a couple hundred miles after installing them. I had to quit using that tire because the tube was protruding through the cut, even after booting it. I just replaced another Rubino that I bought at the same time with probably 3,000 miles of use and not a single flat. The rear tread was worn through to the threads, yet no flats.
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Could you post a pic of the offending tire?
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Old 06-03-13, 02:51 PM   #13
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I'm not the raving fan of the Pasela some are either...I actually prefer the Ribmo for function (the Pasela does look better). The Pasela TG has a very sluggish feel to me, but doesn't offer the flat protection that some others do.
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I've used several pair of 32 and 35 wire bead TGs with good results. I can remember 2 flats. One was a big packing staple at a cycling clothing warehouse sale. First I cut the **** out of my finger on the staple then I almost had to choke out the overly helpful cyclist that thought I was spending too long fixing it.
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I ran Paselas almost exclusively for about 10 years. Then I had a bad batch (3, bought at the same time) which all failed by having the tread delaminate. (One call of shame, one darned luck it made it home boot, and caught one just 3 miles from home and walked it.)

Rested it for a year, and put a new one on this spring. This one had the bead separate -- caught it a mile from home and nursed it back to the house.

I really liked the price and performance back then, but I'm riding something else now.
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2,300+ miles on Pasela TourGuard (folding 700x25) on the back of our our tandem.
NO flats at all and we do live in the Arizona desert. Instead of running 120PSI, ran 110 PSI at my stoker's request as 120 PSI rode a bit too harsh for her.
Have had same kind of luck with the Maxxis Re-Fuse 700x25s.
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Sounds like bad luck. I have had a total of one puncture through the tread in using Paselas over the last 3 years or so. I have had one sidewall rupture as well, but I could boot it. I think they are great for the price.
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I don't have a sensitive enough butt to rate them on rolling resistance or ride quality. I have my fair share of Paselas in my fleet, as well as many other tires, I suppose I rack up enough miles in total that my personal experience may have some causal validity. Which is, the only tire I've ever experienced a catastrophic sidewall failure on was a Pasela, and that not due to an immediately preceding catastrophic road hazard. At most, on an earlier and unremembered flatting occurrence, I might have coasted to as stop as the tire deflated, but I don't specifically recall that happening with that particular tire.
Not to say that I'm condemning Paselas, I'll probably continue to buy them at least for my 27" wheels. But IMHO they don't have the strongest sidewalls out there for a utilitarian tire; whether or not that's an important criterion.
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I've used PaselaTourguards (700x32). I like how they ride. Very comfortable. Punture protection is OK. I never had sidewalls blow out. I just had to boot my rear tire today, because the tread is getting thin and I've noticed a little split in the tread all the way through the kevlar. I must of ridden over something very sharp. Caused slow leak but got home just before the tire deflated....I also use Continental Touring Plus and I like them better. The contis have better traction, are more rugged and have more durable tread with better punture protection. They cost about the same.
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I've had several flats with Pasela TGs, and the sidewalls are very thin and get damaged easily. I bought 4 (two 700x25 and two 27x1-1/8) at one point and three were out of service long before the tread wore out. Two were from sidewall damage, and one was for a deep cut across the tread. I decided to experiment on/dissect the 27x1-1/8 before throwing it away. I learned that the kevlar belt was only under the middle third or so of the black rubber tread. It was extremely hard to cut the center section or drive the point of a utility knife through it. For the rest of the black tread, it was quite easy penetrate it or slice it. No wonder this tire was fairly easy to flat, despite having a kevlar belt!

I'm not sure that the 700x25 tires are constructed similarly to the 27x1-1/8, as the tread mold is clearly different. However, I have gotten a number of flats on the 700x25s. For avoiding flats, I have had better luck with Specialized Armadillos and Schwalbe Marathon and Marathon Plus.
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I like gator skins. I can not mount a 700x25 marathon or marathon plus. After watching videos, reading about on here I have spent over an hour twice before giving up.
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I like gator skins. I can not mount a 700x25 marathon or marathon plus. After watching videos, reading about on here I have spent over an hour twice before giving up.
My Schwalbe tires are 700x32. I have had a little trouble mounting the Marathon Plus in that size. I can't speak to mounting a 700x25 Marathon Plus, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was challenging.
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I have a 700x28 that I had no problems mounting. 700x25 forget about it.
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Wow!

One thing I've noticed with the Paselas is the casing seems more prone to "starburst" damage/failure (usually when the tread begins to thin).
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