Cycling 6th sense . . .
02-23-05, 01:18 PM
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Did you want the carbon fiber Pneumo helmet silencer, or the titanium version to compliment the frame? 10% off for forum members. 
It is interesting what can be learned from this forum. I never have talked to any other Pneumo owners before, now there are plenty.
It is interesting what can be learned from this forum. I never have talked to any other Pneumo owners before, now there are plenty.
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02-23-05, 02:39 PM
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That's why I wear the pneumo sideways. It's silent.
02-23-05, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
I think everyone is correctly describing what happens, we just have different ways of describing it. This is how I explain it.
You learn to anticipate better. You start to react when a hint of motion is present. You react to sounds much better. You must learn things that you might not learn in a car. You see a hint of motion inside a parked car that may be a door about to open.
You hear the door latch you could not hear if you were in a car. You do have better visibility. You can hear cars coming up from behind, even if you need to concentrate on a problem in front of you. You can hear cars on side streets sometimes, before you see them. A lot of this gets programmed into the subconscious. You don't always know it's working, but you can't even shut it off. It's a sub routine going in the background like a firewall protecting you, while you pay attention to the obvious things at the same time.
The perfect example is slvoid's description of responding to a skid on the ice and recovering. You can not think that through, by that time you would be on the ground. The process is learned, stored and switched to automatic and it happens so fast you don't even know how you did it. After it happens you think about it, then you may get scared. At that point it does not matter.
It's similar to the hunter recognizing that an animal was here because of the grass being flattened where he lay down. A lot of people would just miss that. Or the hunter realizes that all of sudden all the small birds and animals are quiet, either they noticed him, or another predator is near by. All the birds take flight when the hunter has been still for an hour, something else is coming. It's like the Indian scout feels the vibration in the ground as the stampede of buffalo is a long way off. No one else understands.
A cyclist picks up the same things. You see a car or pedestrian react oddly to something you can't even see, like a car on a side street, you get ready to slow or stop.
I believe the term correct technical term for this is "Situational Awareness". It does vary by individual as well.
I realized one day riding in traffic that I have an invisible safety space all around me in all directions, when something gets into or close to that space I just feel it. In front it's my stopping distance, on the sides it's an awareness of closeness if someone were to move sideways. In the back in my mirror it's if something is too close for me to slam on the brakes. I rode a long way with a friend in heavy traffic the other day and he wanted to be close enough to talk in heavy traffic. It messed me up all day and was very annoying.
You learn to anticipate better. You start to react when a hint of motion is present. You react to sounds much better. You must learn things that you might not learn in a car. You see a hint of motion inside a parked car that may be a door about to open.
You hear the door latch you could not hear if you were in a car. You do have better visibility. You can hear cars coming up from behind, even if you need to concentrate on a problem in front of you. You can hear cars on side streets sometimes, before you see them. A lot of this gets programmed into the subconscious. You don't always know it's working, but you can't even shut it off. It's a sub routine going in the background like a firewall protecting you, while you pay attention to the obvious things at the same time.
The perfect example is slvoid's description of responding to a skid on the ice and recovering. You can not think that through, by that time you would be on the ground. The process is learned, stored and switched to automatic and it happens so fast you don't even know how you did it. After it happens you think about it, then you may get scared. At that point it does not matter.
It's similar to the hunter recognizing that an animal was here because of the grass being flattened where he lay down. A lot of people would just miss that. Or the hunter realizes that all of sudden all the small birds and animals are quiet, either they noticed him, or another predator is near by. All the birds take flight when the hunter has been still for an hour, something else is coming. It's like the Indian scout feels the vibration in the ground as the stampede of buffalo is a long way off. No one else understands.
A cyclist picks up the same things. You see a car or pedestrian react oddly to something you can't even see, like a car on a side street, you get ready to slow or stop.
I believe the term correct technical term for this is "Situational Awareness". It does vary by individual as well.
I realized one day riding in traffic that I have an invisible safety space all around me in all directions, when something gets into or close to that space I just feel it. In front it's my stopping distance, on the sides it's an awareness of closeness if someone were to move sideways. In the back in my mirror it's if something is too close for me to slam on the brakes. I rode a long way with a friend in heavy traffic the other day and he wanted to be close enough to talk in heavy traffic. It messed me up all day and was very annoying.
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02-23-05, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by soonerschwinn
I agree. I find myself doing just that on the bike and on the M/C. But there's more than that. Hasn't everyone been riding, driving, etc. and suddenly realized that you don't remember the last block or mile? It happens all the time. So we humans must be able to function on "automatic" without consciously knowing it.
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
Did you want the carbon fiber Pneumo helmet silencer, or the titanium version to compliment the frame? 10% off for forum members.
It is interesting what can be learned from this forum. I never have talked to any other Pneumo owners before, now there are plenty.
It is interesting what can be learned from this forum. I never have talked to any other Pneumo owners before, now there are plenty.
02-23-05, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mars
Titanium helmet silencer? You're joking right? Are you? 10% off? Where?!?!?! ....Are you joking? Really though, 10% off?
Unless............how much did you want to spend? Would that be be check or credit card?
another 5% off for cash.
Joking again.
02-23-05, 11:35 PM
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I actually thought about making one.
All you need is a flexible piece of plastic that clips onto the helmet straps and goes over the ears.
All you need is a flexible piece of plastic that clips onto the helmet straps and goes over the ears.
02-24-05, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
Yes, I am totally joking. I do not mean it.
Unless............how much did you want to spend? Would that be be check or credit card?
another 5% off for cash.
Joking again.
Unless............how much did you want to spend? Would that be be check or credit card?
another 5% off for cash.
Joking again.
I only want one if Lance has one.
02-24-05, 12:47 PM
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And, if it's plastic, it better have that faux carbon fibre finish. Makes me 0.6259875 mph faster. 1.25487+/- .0001 mph if my rear stays and fork are carbon too.
02-24-05, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by slvoid
I actually thought about making one.
All you need is a flexible piece of plastic that clips onto the helmet straps and goes over the ears.
All you need is a flexible piece of plastic that clips onto the helmet straps and goes over the ears.
With a helment on they don't look too bad. Being serious now.
02-24-05, 03:16 PM
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Today is my third wearing the helmet. Still can't hear the cars behind me, but the wind noise is fading from my awareness. Noticed that I am doing more shoulder checks than I used to. I feel more comfortable on the streets, less disconnected than I felt at first.
02-24-05, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by spang621
Serge, i bet if they looked at images of your brain they would find out what a "one-track" mind actually looks like.
No...One-track would be like a bike-lane....& that's NOT Serge....
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You know, next Christmas, Nashbar catalogue is going to have the "Helmet Silencer"! Someone is reading this right now saying . . . Hmmm, what a great idea, we can manufacture millions of these "Helmet Silencers" in China, we'll make a fortune!
02-25-05, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by billh
You know, next Christmas, Nashbar catalogue is going to have the "Helmet Silencer"! Someone is reading this right now saying . . . Hmmm, what a great idea, we can manufacture millions of these "Helmet Silencers" in China, we'll make a fortune!
About a year before they were on the market my friend had this strange idea to put lights on shoes.
I had something else copied too.
get in touch with me next Christmas. You could be right.
02-25-05, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by billh
You know, next Christmas, Nashbar catalogue is going to have the "Helmet Silencer"!
02-25-05, 10:23 AM
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Possible newspaper headlines~ "Helmet accessory co. sued by dead cyclist's family. Device caused lack of hearing and blamed for fatal accident."
02-25-05, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by billh
You know, next Christmas, Nashbar catalogue is going to have the "Helmet Silencer"!
Guess they didn't catch though.
02-25-05, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nick burns
Actually a few years ago, they did. They were triangular black plastic pieces that attached to the front strap of the helmet and were supposed to act like a spoiler and direct the wind over your ear.
Guess they didn't catch though.
Guess they didn't catch though.
I have nashbar catalogues from a year ago or longer in a huge pile mixed in with other catalogues and magazines.. I'd get a kick out of seeing that. But it will take a while to find it.
02-25-05, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
I'm guessing you are serious. ??
I have nashbar catalogues from a year ago or longer in a huge pile mixed in with other catalogues and magazines.. I'd get a kick out of seeing that. But it will take a while to find it.
I have nashbar catalogues from a year ago or longer in a huge pile mixed in with other catalogues and magazines.. I'd get a kick out of seeing that. But it will take a while to find it.
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Originally Posted by nick burns
Yup, I'm serious. But I think it may have at least three years ago.
That's interesting to know that it was really marketed. You never know what you will learn from this forum. Or what people will try to sell. wow.
oops....you didn't buy one right?
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
oops....you didn't buy one right?
I just tried to google them, but not remembering what they were called or made them, I didn't have any luck. I'm thinking Rhode Gear maybe.
I just remember they kinda resembled those paper footballs we used to make in study hall.
