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Old 06-17-13, 04:22 PM   #51
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Sheesh, two pages, skirting A & S territory, and nobody chimed in with a 'think outside the box' suggestion of why not just use an external speaker(s)? You'll be able to hear what is going on around you and people on the MUP will be able to hear you coming up from behind.

I've seen designs that mount to bars, stems, top tubes/frames, and even the odd one that could be placed inside a bottle cage.
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Sheesh, two pages, skirting A & S territory, and nobody chimed in with a 'think outside the box' suggestion of why not just use an external speaker(s)?
Somebody did actually chime in with that suggestion. I'm not going to take the time to find it for you just to prove it though.
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Somebody did actually chime in with that suggestion. I'm not going to take the time to find it for you just to prove it though.
yeah. i'm not sure that will work so well in the rain.
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You are not fully paying attention to your vehicular operation then. There's a reason most states prohibit it while operating vehicles on roadways.
You chose your BF moniker well. Riding a bike in traffic is NOT that intellectually challenging nor does it require lightning fast reflexes, nor is it dependent on making pretend I'm piloting a fighter plane through enemy formations. Sorry if that bursts the fantasy of some bicycle commuting warriors.

I'm sure there is a reason, but not a risk based reason. Most likely a knee jerk reaction made by a person in an office to "do something" without a clue if a restriction is necessary for safety reasons, and for whom such a restriction will have no impact on himself. Sorta like MHL restrictions.
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Sheesh, two pages, skirting A & S territory, and nobody chimed in with a 'think outside the box' suggestion of why not just use an external speaker(s)? You'll be able to hear what is going on around you and people on the MUP will be able to hear you coming up from behind.

I've seen designs that mount to bars, stems, top tubes/frames, and even the odd one that could be placed inside a bottle cage.
I never found a need for hearing cyclists coming from behind when cycling in a steady line in the proper position on MUP or in the street. The faster bike has the responsibility to pass safely, audible signaling is superfluous to the cyclist in front. Just like when driving an automobile, no need to hear vehicles coming from behind and no need for the passing vehicle to make an audible signal prior to or during a pass.

Just like driving an automobile, I am well aware of traffic to the rear through the use of mirrors.

The "advantage" of allowing others to hear your choice in sounds is old news and a proven disadvantage for those subjected to your noise; have you forgotten the obnoxious dingbats of prior days with their boomboxes in the park, bus and other public places? Thank Gosh for Walkman, Discman and mp3 players, good riddance to loud portable external speakers.
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+1 on no external speakers. Lousy sound quality, and not practical for commuting from an aerodynamic, a rain, a installation/removal/lockup situation. I do have a bell and ring it vigourously as I rush down high-contrast/dark underpasses where pedestrians often linger unseen until too late and walk 2 or 3 abreast and present a hazard. The bell also lets oncoming bicyclists know they can be jerks riding on the wrong side of the path, although some are immigrants from left-hand driving countries which also presents a problem. Unlike cars, they don't need a drivers test to get a license to ride a bike on the path, and that has meant some serious injuries on the MUP.
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the repeat a phrase part of language learning , would turn heads in the northern Shires/ Counties even now,
by hearing German coming out of a passing Cyclist, I suspect..
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the repeat a phrase part of language learning , would turn heads in the northern Shires/ Counties even now,
by hearing German coming out of a passing Cyclist, I suspect..
Especially when you start learning the cuss words.
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Granted you dispute this. "Seriously"? Hardly.
Your retort is rather lame, and does not counter what I or others on this thread advocate. The arguments you raise are largely anecdotal and based on personal experience, and while you may find them as proof of evidence, they are not. Given that you seem to be a cyclist extraordinaire that does not need the use of hearing, more power to you, and good luck in your future cycling. However, to generalize and dismiss legitimate concerns outright about the potential interference or distraction posed by decreased audio perception does no one any service in long term cycling.
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Old 06-17-13, 07:20 PM   #60
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best thing on bf in a very long time. german and cycling works for me (as well as when i sleep.)
..And the irony of this is that

1. You can bet that none of those people who had accidents - at four times the normal rate - through having cellphone conversations thought they that were distracted. Even the ones who thought it was dangerous for other people.

2. One of the first things you are supposed to learn as a scientist is that EVERYONE'S judgment is hopelessly subjective - i.e. that "know yourself" does not equal "whatever I think is right."
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Wtf people, the OP asked which headphones to use not if he should use them. Answer the questions asked, and I hope some of you you never have to testify in court.
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i only use headphones on trails (not street), but when i do i:

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I use the One Good Earbud system:



Some don't like the fact both channels are coming from one side, but for riding it works very well while allowing one ear completely open for ambient sound. I use one in my right ear.

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Old 06-17-13, 09:29 PM   #64
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I purchased a Cardo BK-1 Duo as an intercom for our tandem use (its been great for that, btw). But, I really like the Cardo BK-1 as a headphone for commuting. It stays on the helmet, and so if I find my helmet, then I've got my headphones too. No wires. It has really good stereo sound, and you can really conduct a phone conversation. The earphones are outside of your ears, and do not therefore serve as earplugs. If you want to listen, just bend the earphone out of the way.



The Cardo Bluetooth goes really great with a Quad-Lock, btw.

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It's fine riding with headphones, you should never rely on what you hear to inform your decisions while riding, only ever use your eyes. I'm sure there is plenty of hearing impaired persons who enjoy riding, is anyone to say they shouldn't be able to enjoy cycling?
In 20 years of commuting I've seen lots of near misses by oblivious people driving, walking and biking in headphones, including a serious one last week, and I'm sure they would all say "it's fine", because they didn't even notice the other person braking or swerving to compensate for their lack of attention.

Those deaf people who enjoy riding are not listening to headphones and transported into some abstract world - all their senses are focussed on the process of riding.
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All this talk about headphones and cycling makes me wonder how motorcyclists manage to be aware of traffic with their loud motors and sound-insulating helmets.

As for learning German by audio, I tried this with French for some months (while cycle commuting, hah!). My conclusions? It's really, really boring and not very effective. What actually helped improve my language was reading French text from online newspapers, watching youtube streams in French, and of course, speaking French with others.
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..And the irony of this is that

1. You can bet that none of those people who had accidents - at four times the normal rate - through having cellphone conversations thought they that were distracted. Even the ones who thought it was dangerous for other people.
I'd be willing to bet that you have not read the Redelmeier and Tibshirani research paper that came to the conclusion above that you extracted from a blog. Please prove me wrong and provide a URL or copy of a page or two, maybe even a a few quotes from the research paper, rather than selected cherry picking from some other blog. If you wish to reference actual papers that cite the Redelmeier and Tibshirani research be sure to include those papers that criticize this research for its built in bias.
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All this talk about headphones and cycling makes me wonder how motorcyclists manage to be aware of traffic with their loud motors and sound-insulating helmets.
Don't forget drivers of trucks with their loud diesels, screaming jake brakes and tire noise, as well as drivers of sound insulated automobiles. However do they manage?
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Riding a bike in traffic is NOT that intellectually challenging nor does it require lightning fast reflexes, nor is it dependent on making pretend I'm piloting a fighter plane through enemy formations. Sorry if that bursts the fantasy of some bicycle commuting warriors.
OK, you finally made me laugh.
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I've got about 20,000 commuting miles on my Motorola S-10 Bluetooth headset. They're open to external sound, not sound-deadening, and in my experience they actually reduce wind noise compared to riding with bare ears. Quite durable, haven't had any trouble commuting in the rain, decent sound, and very convenient to switch automatically from music to cell phone when I answer a call.

Of course you need to be aware of your surroundings, don't zone out to music on a bike any more than you would driving a car, keep the volume low enough you can hear mechanical problems developing on the bike, etc.

As for hearing other traffic, much of my commute is on Interstate 90, I can hear all 8 lanes of 60mph traffic just fine with or without earphones, even on a rainy day.
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All this talk about headphones and cycling makes me wonder how motorcyclists manage to be aware of traffic with their loud motors and sound-insulating helmets.

As for learning German by audio, I tried this with French for some months (while cycle commuting, hah!). My conclusions? It's really, really boring and not very effective. What actually helped improve my language was reading French text from online newspapers, watching youtube streams in French, and of course, speaking French with others.
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Don't forget drivers of trucks with their loud diesels, screaming jake brakes and tire noise, as well as drivers of sound insulated automobiles. However do they manage?
Because vehicles do allow in quite a bit of road noise. You can hear a vehicle passing you, while in a car. And, it's a reason why in most states, having your music up too loud IS a ticketable offense, and can make you the at fault driver.
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Because vehicles do allow in quite a bit of road noise. You can hear a vehicle passing you, while in a car. And, it's a reason why in most states, having your music up too loud IS a ticketable offense, and can make you the at fault driver.
It's not just the sound, it's the distraction. Apparently some people ride safely with headphones (or think they do), but for many of us, and according to some research, it takes our attention away from the road enough to make us a hazard to ourselves and others.
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Just hate it when someone calls...
Do you hate it because the Bose is not good on the bike for phone calls? Is the microphone not working at high speeds? Thanks?
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not a question... thank you.
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I have this:

http://www.amazon.com/Brite-Buds-Ste...+mono+earphone

Don't use it often. Just when I want to hear weather or some music on a relaxing ride on a almost deserted road.
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