bike commuting in England
I am wrapping up a 6 months stay in England, outside of London, where I was sent by my company. I was able to bring my bike along and commuted everyday some 18 miles (RT). I was lucky because a good portion of my commute was along a bridle way, away from traffic and through some lush forest areas. Overall the bike infrastructure was quite good, obviously it is something that local authorities here spend some money on. Directional signs for cyclists (and the very occasional horse rider, I assume) were plenty and very informative. All very good, no complaints.
However, what really surprised me was the behavior of motorists towards anybody not in a car. Part of my commute was along streets, and drivers had no patience or concern for me and my safety (either as cyclist or pedestrian). The MO here seems to be, if you are not in a car and need to cross the street, make sure you don't get hit. Run for your life. Even in residential areas, the common "STOP line" where cars should stop before proceeding doesn't exist, so drivers might yield to oncoming traffic, but not for pedestrians. Motorists are speeding in a manner I rarely ever saw in the U.S. Speed limits are only taken as silly suggestions. Oddly enough, England claims a low traffic fatality rate, which is among the lowest in the world. One wonders if the approach to scare non-motorists to stay off streets (which goes against the current train of thoughts in so many countries (including the US) where drivers are asked to slow down to make it safer and more welcoming for vulnerable road users) is part of the reason for the low fatality rate. Anybody else out there who made similar experiences in England? |
Incidentally, I'm moving to England after living in Germany for 3 years and Sweden for the prior 3 years.
I'm quite sad to hear that England will be a step backward :( I found drivers in Stockholm and Frankfurt to be outstanding with respect to cyclists. However, I've been in Copenhagen for a month or so, and it's even better here, so I'm sad to hear that it's not as pleasant as any of these places in England. Also, a quick word of warning, I would caution against extending the London metro area to "all of England." |
Originally Posted by JPprivate
(Post 15950958)
I am wrapping up a 6 months stay in England, outside of London, where I was sent by my company. I was able to bring my bike along and commuted everyday some 18 miles (RT). I was lucky because a good portion of my commute was along a bridle way, away from traffic and through some lush forest areas. Overall the bike infrastructure was quite good, obviously it is something that local authorities here spend some money on. Directional signs for cyclists (and the very occasional horse rider, I assume) were plenty and very informative. All very good, no complaints.
However, what really surprised me was the behavior of motorists towards anybody not in a car. Part of my commute was along streets, and drivers had no patience or concern for me and my safety (either as cyclist or pedestrian). The MO here seems to be, if you are not in a car and need to cross the street, make sure you don't get hit. Run for your life. Even in residential areas, the common "STOP line" where cars should stop before proceeding doesn't exist, so drivers might yield to oncoming traffic, but not for pedestrians. Motorists are speeding in a manner I rarely ever saw in the U.S. Speed limits are only taken as silly suggestions. Oddly enough, England claims a low traffic fatality rate, which is among the lowest in the world. One wonders if the approach to scare non-motorists to stay off streets (which goes against the current train of thoughts in so many countries (including the US) where drivers are asked to slow down to make it safer and more welcoming for vulnerable road users) is part of the reason for the low fatality rate. Anybody else out there who made similar experiences in England? We don't have stop signs at every junction like you do in so many parts of the US, we just tell drivers to give way unless it's truly necessary to come to a complete stop. What part of London are you talking about? |
Yes, that's quite correct. I have only had very limited experience (geographically speaking) to the southern tip of metro London. Germany is very different, quite correct; that has been my experience in Munich and some other places in Germany.
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Originally Posted by contango
(Post 15950977)
There are a few morons in cars out there but I can't say I recognise what you're describing. I've lived in London for the last 17 years and worked in central London for 12 of those (getting about the centre of town on foot) so can only assume you've been spectacularly unlucky, or just picked a bad part of town.
We don't have stop signs at every junction like you do in so many parts of the US, we just tell drivers to give way unless it's truly necessary to come to a complete stop. What part of London are you talking about? H |
Originally Posted by Leisesturm
(Post 15951561)
I think you have been exceedingly kind in your rebuttal of the o.p.'s broad brushed characterization of your city. Rest assured, the U.S. is no bastion of bike friendliness. Quite the opposite. There are only a handful of cities considered bike friendly and two of those get that distinction simply from their "critical mass" of vehicular cyclists (a large percentage of whom are simply too poor to travel any other way) and not from any real committment to foster a culture of bicycle awareness in the driving public.
H |
In my experience, central London is OK for cycling because the roads are so congested.
The worst part of the UK for cycling is outer London, into the commuter-belt of SE England, along the M4 corridor westwards. All of the towns seem to be very hostile to cycling. In my part of England (East Anglia) life happens at a slower pace and cycling is accepted as a normal thing. I would agree that the apparently low pedestrian casualty rates are mainly due to fear and avoidance by pedestrians. |
Originally Posted by Leisesturm
(Post 15951561)
I think you have been exceedingly kind in your rebuttal of the o.p.'s broad brushed characterization of your city. Rest assured, the U.S. is no bastion of bike friendliness. Quite the opposite. There are only a handful of cities considered bike friendly and two of those get that distinction simply from their "critical mass" of vehicular cyclists (a large percentage of whom are simply too poor to travel any other way) and not from any real committment to foster a culture of bicycle awareness in the driving public.
H |
Originally Posted by MichaelW
(Post 15951933)
In my experience, central London is OK for cycling because the roads are so congested.
The worst part of the UK for cycling is outer London, into the commuter-belt of SE England, along the M4 corridor westwards. All of the towns seem to be very hostile to cycling. |
Originally Posted by MichaelW
(Post 15951933)
I would agree that the apparently low pedestrian casualty rates are mainly due to fear and avoidance by pedestrians.
And sorry if I offended anybody with "broad brushed" generalizations. I thought I share my limited experiences from being in one part of the country for six months. |
Originally Posted by contango
(Post 15951993)
most roads seem perfectly OK to me.
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Originally Posted by MichaelW
(Post 15953666)
I found the small country lanes in Stockbroker Belt were heavily trafficked by fast vehicles. I did a lot of riding in Sussex and there were quieter parts but a lot of bad tempered driving. In Guildford-Watford and that extended region of "exburb" where one town merges into another, I never saw any cyclists.
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