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scoatw 08-16-13 05:04 PM

I keep a small bottle of pepper spray velcroed to my downtube. I haven't used it yet, but it's there if I need it. http://www.thehomesecuritysuperstore...sw11tl18-p=499

JoeyBike 08-16-13 07:45 PM

ASP alloy baton in my pocket. I am so used to it i dont notice it any more than keys or a wallet.

Pepper is too risky due to wind direction. A firearm is just too much trouble to keep close at hand i find. Baton will never malfuntion either. Drug abuse does not negate the effectiveness of metal on bones.

Bjforrestal 08-16-13 09:33 PM

Do you carry protection?
 
Not even a helmet. If I was that worried I'd be in a cage. Call me crazy but I'm still here, without packing.

009jim 08-16-13 10:19 PM

Who cares about the law - if there is a risk you could get seriously hurt then you should man-up and stop the f-wit by whatever is the best method. Make sure you show them your weapon before they get within 10 ft of you, and yell out "stop or you're gonna drop".

I live in a country where the law requires us skinny dudes to run chicken as the only form of self defense. Believe me, after 55 years of running chicken it seriously affects your self esteem and confidence.

I would concealed carry in an instant, but here you get 14 years jail time if you even own a gun. It's a bullies playground.

jon c. 08-16-13 10:27 PM

the requirements to legally use pepper spray in California are as stringent as using lethal force in Texas (or Florida or many other states)

The requirement for using lethal force in Florida isn't all that stringent.

JoeyBike 08-16-13 10:47 PM

I think in Louisiana they give us some sort of medal or trophy for using appropriate deadly force. If a citizen has no previous criminal record and is forced to take drastic action against some punk(s) it is considered part of our civic duty and is encouraged.

009jim 08-16-13 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyBike (Post 15969853)
I think in Louisiana they give us some sort of medal or trophy for using appropriate deadly force. If a citizen has no previous criminal record and is forced to take drastic action against some punk(s) it is considered part of our civic duty and is encouraged.

hehe

Joemess 08-17-13 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 009jim (Post 15969810)
Who cares about the law - if there is a risk you could get seriously hurt then you should man-up and stop the f-wit by whatever is the best method. Make sure you show them your weapon before they get within 10 ft of you, and yell out "stop or you're gonna drop".

I live in a country where the law requires us skinny dudes to run chicken as the only form of self defense. Believe me, after 55 years of running chicken it seriously affects your self esteem and confidence.

I would concealed carry in an instant, but here you get 14 years jail time if you even own a gun. It's a bullies playground.

just showing your weapon here as you describe is called "brandishing" and it will get you time in jail. Anyone who has gone through a concealed carry course is told that if you get to the point of pulling your gun, you better fire it. I have a license, but I rarely use it and never on the bike.

Having a weapon really complicates things, I choose to not yell at drivers and if in a sketchy situation I will "run with dignity".

Nachoman 08-17-13 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by enigmaT120 (Post 15967692)
Any motorist stupid enough to get out of his car (instead of run over me with it) and not have a gun won't be a problem for me. No I don't carry a weapon.

http://www.kiasoulforums.com/attachm...-tough-guy.jpg

martianone 08-17-13 07:39 PM

Not sure I understand why you let the culprit get your bike, fright or flight ? Me flight.

009jim 08-17-13 08:39 PM

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"run with dignity"
Got a plan for doing that when you're 70 years old?

enigmaT120 08-17-13 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nachoman (Post 15972002)

Yes. Exactly.

009jim 08-17-13 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Joemess (Post 15971975)
just showing your weapon here as you describe is called "brandishing" and it will get you time in jail. Anyone who has gone through a concealed carry course is told that if you get to the point of pulling your gun, you better fire it. I have a license, but I rarely use it and never on the bike.

Having a weapon really complicates things, I choose to not yell at drivers and if in a sketchy situation I will "run with dignity".

Needs clarification.........Are you claiming that if someone makes it clear he is going to harm you and you pull a gun and the offender stops and runs back to his pickup then high-tails it to the nearest police station and says "there was this guy on the road on a bike and he would not get out of my way so I cut him off and then got out of my truck and was running back towards him, and honest I was just going to invite him to a party, but then he pulled a gun and, yes officer, he brandished it" - the police will then take his word at face value and track down this supposedly violent cyclist and charge him with "brandishing"? Bollocks.

Joemess 08-17-13 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 009jim (Post 15972247)
Needs clarification.........Are you claiming that if someone makes it clear he is going to harm you and you pull a gun and the offender stops and runs back to his pickup then high-tails it to the nearest police station and says "there was this guy on the road on a bike and he would not get out of my way so I cut him off and then got out of my truck and was running back towards him, and honest I was just going to invite him to a party, but then he pulled a gun and, yes officer, he brandished it" - the police will then take his word at face value and track down this supposedly violent cyclist and charge him with "brandishing"? Bollocks.

Yes. That is exactly what I am saying, you can claim "bollocks" all you want. If you are carrying a weapon, and you feel threatened enough to pull it, you had better use it. If you pull it and point it at another person, in my state that is a felony. And yes, they will find you as the person does not have to do much more than call law enforcement and say where you are. Being a responsible owner means that you are not yelling at a driver when you are cut off in traffic to the point that it seems you are trying to start trouble.

At this point I am going to bow out of this discussion. You seem to see a weapon as a magical item that imbues you with power and are creating hypothetical situations where you can use it... I do not have time for that type of discussion....I can come up with all manner of "what if" type scenarios as well.



As to running with dignity at 70? The key is not to put yourself in that situation by looking for trouble.

BaggerRyder 08-17-13 11:22 PM

Pepper spray. I ride in Bigfoot country...

TommyBing 08-17-13 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BLACK RIDER (Post 15972491)
steel telescopic police baton.

I rode with a 12" telescopic for all of my first years of real road cycling. That's absolutely, without a doubt, the most effective, legal form of defense you can have. 4 inches of 4140 striking surface is vicious.

I struck a giant bull mastiff puppy and killed it with a relatively (so I thought) weak strike. I'm not a particularly big guy, either. I was just startled and terrified. I didn't even realize it was a puppy until afterwards. It was 110 lbs and full of run. I just needed to HTFU but I was 20 and stupid.

I decided that day that I'd rather become famous by being the cyclist who was killed and eaten by a dog, then to carry the teleskuller around anymore.

But if you want to destroy stuff, a telescoping baton, with 4140 striker, clipped to the frame...the only thing more psycho would be a chain. Just swinging a chain, Mad Max style, Beyond Thunderdome type ish.

TommyBing 08-17-13 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BLACK RIDER (Post 15972594)
Umm, ok. So you never said if the dog was attacking you or not.... was it? that kind of info makes a difference.

Ha, yeah, sorry, don't even really like talking about it. I was 20. I said I was stupid. What difference would it make with that as a preface?

It was a silly puppy. Rushed me like bull. Hit the bike, crashed me hard, had the skuller in my jersey. It fell out. I hear "ting, ting, ting." See the skuller. Murder the animal.

You gonna guilt trip me or haunt me more than two 10 year old crying twin girls burying their dead dog while I sheepishly pick at my gashed elbow? I was 20 and stupid.

But now I'm a man, and I could decimate your Strava segments, bareback, no protectioniae.

soysos 08-17-13 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 15968213)
+1 - I think they're a lot more likely to get you into trouble then out of it (and the numbers bear this out). I know my own temperament, and there are situations that ended with some bruised egos that would have been a lot worse had I carried. That pepper spray is interesting, and it's something I've thought of before. In the end, I don't really want to carry it around...and you can get in trouble with pepper spray as well.

To my understanding, some guys get hopped up on certain things that can lead to spray having minimal effect...and I'd be worried about it being used against me. I think the best weapon is common sense mixed with a touch of cowardice.

my trusty LCR has gotten me out of a few scrapes, I've never had to fire, hell half the time it isn't even loaded but to someone who means you harm just seeing it is enough of a deterrent. I've had 4 people try to rob me while on the job once at knife point 3 times at gun point, all 4 times I drew my weapon and they ran.

KonAaron Snake 08-18-13 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by soysos (Post 15972632)
my trusty LCR has gotten me out of a few scrapes, I've never had to fire, hell half the time it isn't even loaded but to someone who means you harm just seeing it is enough of a deterrent. I've had 4 people try to rob me while on the job once at knife point 3 times at gun point, all 4 times I drew my weapon and they ran.

I think a lot of this depends on where you are and the person's temperament.

downwinded 08-18-13 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BLACK RIDER (Post 15972655)
"Guilt trip you"? nothing could be further from the truth. And defending yourself against a rogue dog that large (regardless of its age), is not what I would call stupid. if people want their animals to live, they will keep them under control and obey the leash laws. The failure was with the owner, not you. far too many animals enthusiast are disconnected from reality these days. they view their dog and its potential for violence through rose colored glasses.

Spot on.

After several vicious dog attacks of late, a nearby county is about to require owners of certain breeds to register and carry $100,000.00 insurance policies on their animals. I personally think the owners should also be required to serve whatever jail/prison time would be involved if they carried out the attack themselves.

CommuteCommando 08-18-13 07:01 AM

I do not pack weapons or even keep them in my home, and belive most who do are packing a false sense of security. I use my wits, and try to maintain situational awareness. It isn't a perfect system and I may still wind up on the loosing end. This would be no different if I had a fire arm, or even pepper spray.

Also keep in mind that you can often take that bike where he cannot take his car, and the odds are overwelming in your favor that you will be able to outrun him if he has to dismount.

jazzgeek79 08-18-13 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by downwinded (Post 15973033)
Spot on.

After several vicious dog attacks of late, a nearby county is about to require owners of certain breeds to register and carry $100,000.00 insurance policies on their animals. I personally think the owners should also be required to serve whatever jail/prison time would be involved if they carried out the attack themselves.

I own two dogs both of which are mixed with "certain breeds". Now I rescued both these animals and never sought out either for a specific breed. I believe that it is in fact my responsibility to make sure my dogs are leashed or otherwise contained. One of mine would almost certainly chase and catch most cyclists if he got out. He's not a mean dog he just has a chase instinct when it comes to bikes. So I m not about to preach against owner responsibility, but I think breed specific legislation and insurance policies are awful, illegal, Andy based on no fact. The fact is that dog bite numbers tend to correlate with breed popularity. In other words a lab is just as likely to bite or not as a pit.


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