Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-19-13, 07:04 PM   #1
brbbiking
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Bikes: Cervelo S1, Giant OCR3
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Something similar to Surly crosscheck with disc brakes, and lighter?

So I have a Surly XCheck ('11 ?) that I like, except I want disc brakes. I also would like to get something lighter, if possible. I do like the versatility of the XCheck, the quality, etc. Does anyone have any recommendations for bikes such as that?

Thanks!
brbbiking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-13, 07:15 PM   #2
Hendricks97
Senior Member
 
Hendricks97's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Bikes: All City Nature Boy, Salsa Ti Fargo, Kona Electric Ute
Posts: 312
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Surly Straggler is very similar to the Cross Check with disc brakes, coming to a dealer near you soon
Hendricks97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-13, 07:57 PM   #3
Simpletommy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Yokohama, Japan
Bikes:
Posts: 109
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
How much are you willing to spend?
Simpletommy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-13, 08:39 PM   #4
Loose Chain
Senior Member
 
Loose Chain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: USA
Bikes: 84 Pinarello Trevisio, 86 Guerciotti SLX, 96 Specialized Stumpjumper, 2010 Surly Cross Check, 88 Centurion Prestige, 73 Raleigh Sports
Posts: 1,620
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
I do not understand this weight thing? The CC is as light as any steel bike except for the high end steel road bikes like my Pinerello. If I took the fenders, racks, Brooks saddle, head lights, bell, heavy water bottle cages, blinkies, seat bag, chunky dual side SPD pedals off and then installed high end/race replacements and a carbon seat post and carbon bar and a high zoot bottom bracket and carbon fork and 23mm tires I am pretty sure the CC would weigh in around 22 pounds, possibly 20ish. And, it would be totally useless as a multi-mission and all terrain assault and zombie escape vehicle.

If you want a carbon road bike that weighs 16 pounds, there are plenty of them out there and they are fragile, do not take fenders and are expensive and LIFE LIMITED.

LC
Loose Chain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-13, 09:45 PM   #5
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 7
Posts: 22,146
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1130 Post(s)
Trek Cross-rip frames are aluminum, Lighter? IdK, go weigh them..

Seattle? go look, at the Red Line bikes SBS is based there..
fietsbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-13, 10:16 PM   #6
brbbiking
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Bikes: Cervelo S1, Giant OCR3
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simpletommy View Post
How much are you willing to spend?
Probably at most $3k
brbbiking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-13, 10:18 PM   #7
brbbiking
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Bikes: Cervelo S1, Giant OCR3
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
I do not understand this weight thing? The CC is as light as any steel bike except for the high end steel road bikes like my Pinerello. If I took the fenders, racks, Brooks saddle, head lights, bell, heavy water bottle cages, blinkies, seat bag, chunky dual side SPD pedals off and then installed high end/race replacements and a carbon seat post and carbon bar and a high zoot bottom bracket and carbon fork and 23mm tires I am pretty sure the CC would weigh in around 22 pounds, possibly 20ish. And, it would be totally useless as a multi-mission and all terrain assault and zombie escape vehicle.

If you want a carbon road bike that weighs 16 pounds, there are plenty of them out there and they are fragile, do not take fenders and are expensive and LIFE LIMITED.

LC
Not looking for a 16 lb carbon road bike. Looking for something a bit lighter than the CC, while still retaining some of the characteristics I like, if possible.
brbbiking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-13, 10:19 PM   #8
brbbiking
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Bikes: Cervelo S1, Giant OCR3
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Trek Cross-rip frames are aluminum, Lighter? IdK, go weigh them..

Seattle? go look, at the Red Line bikes SBS is based there..
Will take a look, thx!
brbbiking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-13, 10:37 PM   #9
brbbiking
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Bikes: Cervelo S1, Giant OCR3
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The Salsa Fargo looks interesting.. Has the disc brakes and some versatility of the CC. Thoughts on this one compared to the CC ?
brbbiking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-13, 10:49 PM   #10
brbbiking
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Bikes: Cervelo S1, Giant OCR3
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Errr, maybe the Salsa Vaya is closer, still with disc brakes
brbbiking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 05:48 AM   #11
Ridefreemc 
Senior Member
 
Ridefreemc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Western Florida
Bikes: 2015 Bike Friday New World Tourist, 2013 Velo Orange Campeur, 2011 Mezzo D9 (x3), 2004 Marin Mount Vision Pro, 2014 Xtracycle Electric, 2014 Surly Big Dummy electric assist
Posts: 1,367
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
I have the Vaya with discs and it is a great bike and rides very well. However, you won't get a leg up on better weight. The discs will add a little to your total too. What you might consider is building a set of wheels that are lighter, but still strong. That can make a bike feel a lot lighter than it really is. However, I do like the momentum of my Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (40mm wide) and Mavic Disc rims (719s). Once I get it rolling it feels smooth and as if I could ride all day.

Loose Chain has a good point too, but if you choose the lighter options on each of your upgrades (like a Tubus rack vs. Salsa) you may avoid an additional 5 pounds or so in the end. For really nice and light you may want to go with a Titanium frame. I'm looking at the Seven, but will take a few years to save up for that (touring frames at about $3,500). You may want to look at my The Ultimate Bike thread to get some ideas of what others are riding. Some pretty cool bikes discussed there.


Quote:
Originally Posted by brbbiking View Post
Errr, maybe the Salsa Vaya is closer, still with disc brakes
__________________
On the move!
2015 Bike Friday New World Tourist, 2013 Velo Orange Campeur, 2011 Mezzo D9, 2004 Marin Mount Vision Pro, 2014 Xtracycle Electric, 2014 Surly Big Dummy electric assist
Ridefreemc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 05:59 AM   #12
Germany_chris
Senior Member
 
Germany_chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Southern Germany
Bikes:
Posts: 705
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
I do not understand this weight thing? The CC is as light as any steel bike except for the high end steel road bikes like my Pinerello. If I took the fenders, racks, Brooks saddle, head lights, bell, heavy water bottle cages, blinkies, seat bag, chunky dual side SPD pedals off and then installed high end/race replacements and a carbon seat post and carbon bar and a high zoot bottom bracket and carbon fork and 23mm tires I am pretty sure the CC would weigh in around 22 pounds, possibly 20ish. And, it would be totally useless as a multi-mission and all terrain assault and zombie escape vehicle.

If you want a carbon road bike that weighs 16 pounds, there are plenty of them out there and they are fragile, do not take fenders and are expensive and LIFE LIMITED.




LC
Because the difference between a 222 pound bike and rider combo and 220 bike rider combo will save him .32346 seconds per 5 miles on his commute. In the highly competitive sport of bike commuting that's the difference between a win and a loss.
Germany_chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 06:13 AM   #13
bikemig 
Senior Member
 
bikemig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Bikes: A lot of old bikes and a few new ones
Posts: 10,851
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 700 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
Because the difference between a 222 pound bike and rider combo and 220 bike rider combo will save him .32346 seconds per 5 miles on his commute. In the highly competitive sport of bike commuting that's the difference between a win and a loss.
Hard to argue with this logic, . I'd look at Soma's double cross disc made of tange prestige tubing (main triangle, chrome moly forks and stays). I own the plain vanilla double cross and it is a fine bike. I cannot recommend it highly enough. It may not be quite light enough though for the sport of bike commuting. Perhaps we'll all get lucky commuting and the sanctioning body for the sport will outlaw bikes that are too light . . .

http://www.somafab.com/archives/prod...ble-cross-disc
bikemig is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 06:57 AM   #14
grolby
Senior Member
 
grolby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: BOSTON BABY
Bikes:
Posts: 9,378
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 106 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
I do not understand this weight thing? The CC is as light as any steel bike except for the high end steel road bikes like my Pinerello.
No, the Cross-Check is extremely heavy for a modern steel frame, even among framesets in a similar price bracket. The Soma Double Cross is just one example of an inexpensive steel frame that is a fair bit lighter than the Cross-Check, over half a pound in most sizes. That's not a great deal in the grand scheme of things, but between two frames of similar quality, it's significant. The Cross-Check is a tank. I have one and love it, by the way, just saying that it is heavy and half a pound less on the frame is money you don't have to spend on components to get that half pound lighter.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
If I took the fenders, racks, Brooks saddle, head lights, bell, heavy water bottle cages, blinkies, seat bag, chunky dual side SPD pedals off and then installed high end/race replacements and a carbon seat post and carbon bar and a high zoot bottom bracket and carbon fork and 23mm tires I am pretty sure the CC would weigh in around 22 pounds, possibly 20ish. And, it would be totally useless as a multi-mission and all terrain assault and zombie escape vehicle.
I've got my Cross-Check built up at about 23 lbs with a fairly standard cyclocross build, no need to go to cartoonish extremes. Add fenders and it's more like 24. But... that's pretty heavy. A little bit of difference in weight makes a big difference in how a bike feels.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
If you want a carbon road bike that weighs 16 pounds, there are plenty of them out there and they are fragile
Wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
do not take fenders
Most don't, but some careful looking will yield a surprising number of examples that can take fenders.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
and are expensive
Well, yeah, so? Some people are willing to spend money on a commuter bike, some aren't. It's not a universal requirement that they be cheap. Think how many people are commuting on expensive custom bikes that AREN'T light and fast. Plenty! What matters is they're commuting on the bike they want to ride every day.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
and LIFE LIMITED.
Wrong again.

I don't think a superlight carbon road bike is the ideal commuting bike, at least not for me on most days, but they aren't made of marzipan. In any case, there's a happy medium to be found. One can spend a lot less money than it would take to get a 15 lb carbon bike and instead get a 17, 18 or 19 lb aluminum or carbon bike that still feels a lot lighter and zippier than a heavy Cross-Check. Thinking about weight isn't pointless and isn't just about performance, it makes a big difference in how a bike feels to ride, and if that makes the ride more pleasurable, it's well worth it.
grolby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 07:11 AM   #15
PennyTheDog
Fork and spoon operator
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Hopkins, Minnesota
Bikes: 2013 Surly Crosscheck, 1990 Specialized Sirrus, 199x Schwinn police bike, 197x Schwinn Continental
Posts: 504
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
How about the Specialized Tricross Steel?

http://www.bicycletimesmag.com/conte...el-disc-triple
PennyTheDog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 07:20 AM   #16
PennyTheDog
Fork and spoon operator
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Hopkins, Minnesota
Bikes: 2013 Surly Crosscheck, 1990 Specialized Sirrus, 199x Schwinn police bike, 197x Schwinn Continental
Posts: 504
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
... or the All-City Macho Man Disc.

http://allcitycycles.com/bikes/macho_man_disc
PennyTheDog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 07:42 AM   #17
Germany_chris
Senior Member
 
Germany_chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Southern Germany
Bikes:
Posts: 705
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by grolby View Post
Thinking about weight isn't pointless and isn't just about performance, it makes a big difference in how a bike feels to ride, and if that makes the ride more pleasurable, it's well worth it.
I'd argue that geometry has more to do with the zippy feel than weight especially at the weight differences were talking here. The second thing that makes bikes feel fast is wheel weight more specifically rim and tire weight.

The difference of 1/2 pound is 226.8 grams

A 220 pound bike rider and crap combo is 99,792 grams

A new frame with 1/2 pound weight difference will yield a .2% weight difference to the entire package. Even if he pulled say 4 pounds off the bike he's looking at a 1.8% in total weight.
Germany_chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 08:16 AM   #18
chaadster
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Bikes: '15 Kinesis Racelight 4S, '76 Motebecane Gran Jubilée
Posts: 7,963
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 275 Post(s)
The Cotic Roadrat is a sweet machine worth consideration here. I cannot, however, speak to the weight comparison with the Surly; I'm thinking to replace my old Big Buzz with one, so I'll shoot the Cotic folks an email and see what they say.

http://www.cotic.co.uk/product/roadrat
chaadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 08:31 AM   #19
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 7
Posts: 22,146
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1130 Post(s)
Ridley, of Belgium, distributed , by QBP, makes CF& aluminum cross race Frames, Carbon Forks.

http://www.ridley-bikes.com/be/en/ dealer search http://www.ridley-bikes.com/be/en/about-ridley/dealers

I found 4 are in PDX, 2 in Seattle, using the search.

Last edited by fietsbob; 08-20-13 at 08:38 AM.
fietsbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 08:36 AM   #20
Dylansbob
2k miles from the midwest
 
Dylansbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Washington
Bikes: Novara Team mtb, Novara XR, Bridgestone MB5....all collecting dust
Posts: 604
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Everyone is missing the obvious. Soma Double Cross Disc. Tange Prestige steel. My 56cm frame is more than half a pound lighter than a CC in the same size. Ride quality is great. Get one used for <$300
Dylansbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 08:47 AM   #21
markg
Float, HAMMER, jog
 
markg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Diego, CA
Bikes: Cervelo Soloist Team, Cervelo P3C, Ritchey Breakaway Cross
Posts: 713
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Habanero Cycles offers a disc-only titanium cyclocross frame.
http://habcycles.com/cross.html (at the bottom)
markg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 09:38 AM   #22
GuitarBob
Kit doesn't match
 
GuitarBob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Tucson, AZ
Bikes: 5
Posts: 708
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
I'm looking at similar bikes. One you might consider is the Kona Rove, although I don't imagine there is an appreciable weight advantage over the CC. I think the component specs are better than the new Straggler.

http://www.konaworld.com/rove.cfm

They also make the Rove frame in titanium, which looks like fun if money is no object.

http://www.konaworld.com/rove_ti.cfm
GuitarBob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 11:24 AM   #23
chaadster
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Bikes: '15 Kinesis Racelight 4S, '76 Motebecane Gran Jubilée
Posts: 7,963
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 275 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylansbob View Post
Everyone is missing the obvious. Soma Double Cross Disc. Tange Prestige steel. My 56cm frame is more than half a pound lighter than a CC in the same size. Ride quality is great. Get one used for <$300
It was mentioned twice already before this, in posts 13 and 14.
chaadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 11:45 AM   #24
phughes
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Bikes:
Posts: 585
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
I'd argue that geometry has more to do with the zippy feel than weight especially at the weight differences were talking here. The second thing that makes bikes feel fast is wheel weight more specifically rim and tire weight.

The difference of 1/2 pound is 226.8 grams

A 220 pound bike rider and crap combo is 99,792 grams

A new frame with 1/2 pound weight difference will yield a .2% weight difference to the entire package. Even if he pulled say 4 pounds off the bike he's looking at a 1.8% in total weight.
^^^^^^
THIS
phughes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-13, 12:27 PM   #25
tjspiel
Senior Member
 
tjspiel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Minneapolis
Bikes:
Posts: 8,057
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by phughes View Post
^^^^^^
THIS
I say this every so often and I'll mention it again here. People will pay a premium for a laptop that's a fraction of a pound lighter just because they're easier to deal with. Now, it's not like you're carrying your bike everywhere you go but some of us do end up lifting them quite a bit.

There's the whole thing about sprung vs unsprung weight and how that affects performance. Your weight doesn't affect performance the same way that weight attached to the bike does.
tjspiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:15 PM.