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    Suggestion of Bike Lock

    Hi..I will be soon commuting to work (at least to the Metro Station). I will be parking my bike at the metro station (from 5.30am till about 5-6pm) or 7pm. I have an existing Ulock but it's pretty much garbage I bought this at clearance a couple years ago at target for like $6. I think I will still use it to lock the front wheel. Do you guys have any suggestion on a bike lock?

    I was thinking getting some alloy chain like 2' length with lock?
    http://www.mcmaster.com/#cut-resistant-chain/=o6su4x

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    MASTER LOCK 37-D

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    There is no such thing as a "cut-resistant" chain. It's sold by the foot and they cut it to length, you know. Hmmm. Cutting to length a cut-resistant chain.

    It looks like you're still trying to be cheap. Witness the $6 U-lock and now you're looking at an $8.99 padlock for a gym locker.

    Use the type of lock you prefer, but especially for locking 12 hours a day at a Metro station, get good, not cheap. In locks, they're mutually exclusive.

    My "cheap" U-lock was $45. My "good" one was closer to $150.
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    This is a surprisingly emotional issue and you'll get responses all over the map with real and fanciful concerns and suggestions. My all time favorite was the response on one thread that to put any lock on your bike at all was to make yourself a 'slave to material possessions'. Anyway...

    Your lock isn't any better than what you lock to.

    Your lock isn't any better than your locking technique.

    Your bike is going to be out at a transit center for a long time each day, with lots of people coming and going and fooling around locking and unlocking bikes. Want me to pour lemon juice over your paper cut?

    So yeah, use your old Target ulock to secure the front wheel to the frame and possibly to a fixed feature. And also use a second, top quality ulock to secure the rear wheel to the frame and absolutely to a solid, stout fixed feature. Some quality ulocks: Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit, Abus Granit X-Plus 54, OnGuard Brute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsl View Post
    There is no such thing as a "cut-resistant" chain.
    They're advertising 'cut resistant', not 'cut proof'. Your $150 ulock isn't cut proof, either, just highly cut resistant.
    "When man first set woman on two wheels with a pair of pedals, did he know, I wonder, that he had rent the veil of the harem in twain? A woman on a bicycle has all the world before her where to choose; she can go where she will, no man hindering." The Typewriter Girl, 1899.

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    actually i should reword the whole thing. I am looking for cut resistant to 90% of the bolt cutter out in the market. If someone is carrying a angle grinder or torch...by all means, they can have the bike

    I am trying to find an alternative to the retail chain since they are going for $100+

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    Locks just keep honest people honest. You can't stop a thief, you can only slow them down. You should install one of these, if you like your bike. Hopefully, it would deter the theft. Good luck with your commute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    They're advertising 'cut resistant', not 'cut proof'. Your $150 ulock isn't cut proof, either, just highly cut resistant.
    Correct. Now show me where you think I said it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwire View Post
    I am trying to find an alternative to the retail chain since they are going for $100+
    Ah. So you are looking for cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwire View Post
    I am trying to find an alternative to the retail chain since they are going for $100+
    Not as good as my other suggestions, but here ya go.

    For the same security, chain+padlock will be (substantially) heavier than a ulock. Can you leave this chain locked at the transit center overnight rather than tote it home and back?
    "When man first set woman on two wheels with a pair of pedals, did he know, I wonder, that he had rent the veil of the harem in twain? A woman on a bicycle has all the world before her where to choose; she can go where she will, no man hindering." The Typewriter Girl, 1899.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsl View Post
    Correct.
    Ah, so you do understand the definition of the word, you were just being...uh, argumentative.
    "When man first set woman on two wheels with a pair of pedals, did he know, I wonder, that he had rent the veil of the harem in twain? A woman on a bicycle has all the world before her where to choose; she can go where she will, no man hindering." The Typewriter Girl, 1899.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    Not as good as my other suggestions, but here ya go.

    For the same security, chain+padlock will be (substantially) heavier than a ulock. Can you leave this chain locked at the transit center overnight rather than tote it home and back?
    Thanks for the suggestion. I found a couple online hardware store that sells alloy grade 70 or higher chain that can be purchased by ft. It will cost approximately $20 with sleeves etc. and another $10-$20 for lock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsl View Post
    There is no such thing as a "cut-resistant" chain. It's sold by the foot and they cut it to length, you know. Hmmm. Cutting to length a cut-resistant chain.

    It looks like you're still trying to be cheap. Witness the $6 U-lock and now you're looking at an $8.99 padlock for a gym locker.

    Use the type of lock you prefer, but especially for locking 12 hours a day at a Metro station, get good, not cheap. In locks, they're mutually exclusive.

    My "cheap" U-lock was $45. My "good" one was closer to $150.
    I could easily buy a $150 from retailer with some name brand or I could spend $50 on the same function just without the name or advertisement associate with it. Just as I build my own controller instead of buying..same concept same analogy.

    Sorry I asked.

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    So...anyway...a good search on the web, and with coupon, i managed to get a Kryptonite NY Fahgettaboutit mini for $66 shipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    Ah, so you do understand the definition of the word, you were just being...uh, argumentative.
    I believe the point he was trying to make was the irony that when purchasing "cut resistant" chain,it's cut to the length you want. And with very little effort. Cutting through a quality U lock will require a much larger set of bolt cutters and much more effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
    I believe the point he was trying to make was the irony that when purchasing "cut resistant" chain, it's cut to the length you want. And with very little effort.
    Do you actually have any data to back up your assertion that the industrial process used to cut through McMaster-Carr Security 'cut resistant' chain when it's cut to length at their warehouse takes 'very little effort', or did you just make that up?

    Cutting through a quality U lock will require a much larger set of bolt cutters and much more effort.
    Well, cutting a 17mm heat treated alloy steel ulock will be harder than cutting an 8mm heat treated alloy steel chain, but that doesn't mean the heat treated alloy steel in the 'cut resistant' security chain has no more resistance to being cut than any regular old chain out there, nor does it mean that 19mm heat treated alloy steel security chain can be cut with very little effort just because the heat treated alloy steel is in chain form factor rather than in a ulock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    Do you actually have any data to back up your assertion that the industrial process used to cut through McMaster-Carr Security 'cut resistant' chain when it's cut to length at their warehouse takes 'very little effort', or did you just make that up?
    I guessed based on all the videos I've seen and reviews I've read on how easy it is to defeat most chains.

    Back at you,do you have any data to suggest that chain is super hard to cut? Or did you make it up? Unless someone asks the folks at McMaster-Carr how they cut the chain to length,or gives it to a lab for testing,we're all just speculating now aren't we? And YouTube videos don't count.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    Well, cutting a 17mm heat treated alloy steel ulock will be harder than cutting an 8mm heat treated alloy steel chain, but that doesn't mean the heat treated alloy steel in the 'cut resistant' security chain has no more resistance to being cut than any regular old chain out there, nor does it mean that 19mm heat treated alloy steel security chain can be cut with very little effort just because the heat treated alloy steel is in chain form factor rather than in a ulock.
    What are you talking about? That 19mm chain isn't the one linked to above;what does that have to do with this discussion comparing the McMaster-Carr chain to a U lock?

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    I finally listened to the pros. The bike messengers in crime ridden cities like mini u-locks from what I've been told. When I want real piece of mind I use the Abus Bordo around one wheel and frame part and a Kryptonite U-lock around the other wheel and frame part. Both should be attached to a large steel pole if possible. Cables and chains can be easily cut with glorified scissors.

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    One thing for sure, a bike that you are going to lock up for that length of time, sure better be a beater bike. Just my opinion...
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    I haven't read ALL the posts in this thread, but I don't think anybody has yet asked about the OP's bike itself. If he's looking at cheap department store locks, he might also be riding a cheap department store bike, or something he bought at a garage sale for ten bucks.

    My 1996 GT Outpost is my most valued possession in the world, but it looks like a clunker at this point, all plastered with worn and torn decals of places I've been. I'd be devastated if I lost it, but the truth is, nobody takes a second look at it because, at first glance, you don't see all the upgrades and the work I've put into it over the years; you just see an old, beat-up bicycle.

    To the OP, I wouldn't spend more on a lock than the bike is worth. And if you're not into aesthetics, one of the best anti-theft devices you can install would be some crappy looking decals or a roll of ugly duct tape wrapped around the entire frame. That's what lots of riders do here in New York.
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    Hi there...I have a 2011 trek 7.1 fx if that matter. I just bought a ULock Kryptonite NY Fahgettaboutit mini for cheap. I have a cheap Ulock laying aroud (by Master lock) that I had for years. I will use that to lock the front wheel and use the Kryptonite on the back wheel and frame. I have wire run down to lock the seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cehowardGS View Post
    One thing for sure, a bike that you are going to lock up for that length of time, sure better be a beater bike. Just my opinion...
    +1 No lock is going to keep a valuable bike safe if locked outside on a regular basis.

    Many transit stations offer bike lockers, which are a better option for more valuable bikes. They actually hide the bike from prying eyes, and damaging those bike stations is vandalizing fairly expensive public property which will garner more police interest than your bike will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
    I guessed...
    Ah. Made it up.

    Back at you,do you have any data to suggest that chain is super hard to cut? Or did you make it up?
    I never asserted it was - so your accusation that I made up something I never said is looking...argumentative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlanoFuji View Post
    Many transit stations offer bike lockers, which are a better option for more valuable bikes. They actually hide the bike from prying eyes, and damaging those bike stations is vandalizing fairly expensive public property which will garner more police interest than your bike will.
    Uh, yeah, BTW, PlanoFuji, one of the BikeLids at the Plano 15th Street DART light rail stop was breached about two months ago. I'd recommend locking your bike inside the locked bike locker at a transit station.
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    And the bike , Cheap too, so when it's not there when you come back

    a shrug and an Oh well no surprise, there, is the response.

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