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Old 09-03-13, 10:24 AM   #26
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Several carbon cages have good designs, e.g. the Lezyne Road Carbon; in fact, I think there are many designs available in all material types that don't snag flapping pant legs, e.g. the stainless wire Delta 'Inox':

In my configuration, the bottom corner of the Delta would be still catching from time to time. I was thinking about some modification of this Velo Orange



itself, I think, inspired by TA. The modification would be one where the bottom corners were eliminated, with the wires coming back down on the same side of the cage, rather than running across. In the latter case, some support would need to be added for the bottom at the center.

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I call them " shorts" , my new invention to keep your legs cool and no pant legs getting caught in stuff.
The cooling should be particularly effective when there is plenty of snow on the ground . I must try it out!
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That Kage design looks like it will not snag, but there is a problem. According to one reviewer on the page you linked to he bought 6 and has been through an astonishing 4 in a mere 2 seasons. And both you 2_i and say that the "o-ring" to that cage eventually breaks. Well that one reviewer writing on 3/14/2007 says that for him when that happened it doesn't hold his bottles... So I am not sure about that cage, it is perhaps not made to last. I certainly don't know the full situation, was that a flaw that they eventually fixed? Anyway I don't like buying disposable things that won't last, so I will rule that out.

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I was at REI recently and saw several of those, but didn't buy one. So far I think it is the best option I have heard.

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Those who suggest straps, cycle specific pants, rolling up etc. apparently do not ride enough to make those clothings provisions bothersome over time. In the end, you want to hop on a bike and move as soon as possible and when dismounting to progress to any other activity that awaits you.
This times a thousand. I suspect even on the commuting forum most are not even car-lite in their lifestyle and are overall motorists for the most part, with the bicycle being a rare transport modality for them. The more posts I read here and other cycling forums, the more I am convinced how doomed cycling culture is in the USA. I found this interesting blog post that said in the past even cycle race was a sport of the working classes, who would commute to work by bicycle and race on their off-days like Sunday.

I also had a frame mount Topeak Mini DXG Master Blaster pump and due to a design flaw of the frame mount, it broke off while I was riding with long sleeve pants. Probably Topeak doesn't consider it so, "riding without a specific riding costume or changing beforehand into what you think is more appropriate cycling attire... You expect us to design with that in mind!"

The metal latch valve, eventually got caught on my pants also from time to time. I should have just used a rubber band to secure it. Instead it eventually weakened the plastic frame mount enough that it broke off.

This is a small symptom of the larger problem with cycling in America. No one has any ability to resist marketing and they tell in this thread that I have to buy and wear cycling specific gear. It reminds me of at my work, how I was the only one one to bring in a reusable water bottle while my sloven co-workers all use bottled water, because it is written in our contract that we receive free bottled water. Sometimes they ask me about this and I tell them to watch the documentary Tapped to learn that they are most likely drinking bottled tap water anyway, or even worse, water from streams, lakes or springs that beverage corporations exercise their "water use rights" to siphon till exhaustion denying local communities and wildlife those water sources. It seems Americans have no ability to resist marketing.

Anyway I am gonna write to Topeak again to complain about the design flaw of their Mini DXG Master Blaster pump and also to Planet Bike to complain about their alloy cage which both get stuck in long sleeve pants from time to time. Actually if you complain to companies they will often give you free coupons, discounts, free replacements, etc. So if anyone really cares about this issue, we need to complain more to companies so they will understand we don't all think we need to wear special clothing just to cycle
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Old 09-03-13, 11:32 AM   #28
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That Kage design looks like it will not snag, but there is a problem. According to one reviewer on the page you linked to he bought 6 and has been through an astonishing 4 in a mere 2 seasons. And both you 2_i and say that the "o-ring" to that cage eventually breaks. Well that one reviewer writing on 3/14/2007 says that for him when that happened it doesn't hold his bottles... So I am not sure about that cage, it is perhaps not made to last. I certainly don't know the full situation, was that a flaw that they eventually fixed? Anyway I don't like buying disposable things that won't last, so I will rule that out.
It is not so difficult to buy such O-rings, but it is a nuisance. For my most critical Kage, I replaced the O-ring with a piece of a shifter cable that has eyes at its ends, that I join with a short spring. With regard to holding bottles without an O-ring or a replacement, I guess that it can depend on the bottle, its precise dimensions and material. One more option, that I use on folders, is the Sunlite foldable cage:



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This times a thousand. I suspect even on the commuting forum most are not even car-lite in their lifestyle and are overall motorists for the most part, with the bicycle being a rare transport modality for them. The more posts I read here and other cycling forums, the more I am convinced how doomed cycling culture is in the USA.
Precisely. There used to be once a concept of 'Sunday drivers'. One should presumably have one of 'Sunday fair-weather riders'.

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Anyway I am gonna write to Topeak again to complain about the design flaw of their Mini DXG Master Blaster pump and also to Planet Bike to complain about their alloy cage which both get stuck in long sleeve pants from time to time. Actually if you complain to companies they will often give you free coupons, discounts, free replacements, etc. So if anyone really cares about this issue, we need to complain more to companies so they will understand we don't all think we need to wear special clothing just to cycle
I think that it can make sense to write to companies. If they hear no negative feedback, they may think that everything is all right. I doubt though they would change the model that is already in the market, given how long the production cycle is. However, they can take into account customer comments in their next design.
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This setup never snags my pant legs.


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Checking Sunlite on Ebay, I think I ran into one more option, the Velocity cage



I quickly ordered one for trial. Reviewers complain about it being tight but there are ways to deal with such issues.
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After buying some jean pants that were wider at the ankles, kind of bell-bottom like but not
Every last keystroke in this thread is a waste unless the OP develops enough sense to realize that certain activities require clothing that is appropriate for that particular activity.

Maybe he will wear his long scarf around his neck this winter when he uses his chain saw to cut firewood. Then he will be on the chainsaw forum asking "Is there a chain saw that won't catch my long scarf and break my neck??"

A bit of background, from what I can tell about the OP is that he currently rides a old Trek MTB but took a one hour test ride on a $10K bike and is now a bike god. So is willing to spend $3K on a new bike but won't come off with the price of a decent pair of pants to ride the bike he has now.

He also has lumped all of us that ride a fixed gear bike into a pile of cocaine sniffers in a different thread. That is but one of the very offensive comments this "BF Member" has made. Yet, I have to post with caution concerning this ************** or get a point from the mods.

Count the stars.......they mean "Helpful Bike God", except that I did not include a star for the spaces.
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I realize this doesn't exactly answer your question, but as a side note every time I have been introduced to equipment with moving part, the safety training has been to avoid loose clothing.
The answer to the problem that the OP is having was COMPLETELY COVERED by RoadTire in the SECOND POST of this thread.
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Why are there so many annoying meta-whiners who just post here to say essentially they don't like someone? I thought I graduated junior high school in 1995, why do I have still put up with this?

Yes, I am willing to spend $2000 and maybe even $3000 on a new bike that I like and provided it is utilitarian enough to have a rack eyelets and fender mounts. However, that does not mean I am necessarily cheap because I won't buy the clothing that overpriced cycling companies have fooled people through marketing to think you need to have to touch a bicycle. What am I Clark Kent who will enter the phone-booth to transform into my Superman leotard? For me a bicycle is mostly to get things done, but even on recreational rides, I still will not wear specifically marketed cycling clothing. Just because bicycle related marketers have taught you things, does not mean that it is correct...

Now if cycling was not seen as a frivolous hobby, manufacturers would actually think before their design process went into prototyping if their cages could be snagged on long sleeved pants... Changing clothes just to cycle is a deterrent to cycling often --- FULL STOP.

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OP, I have the same bottle cages and have noticed this same problem with some of my baggier jeans. Generally, I just roll up my pants on both sides. It probably looks pretty funny, but it stops my pants from catching on the bottle cage.

For those of you bashing the OP for this supposed silly question and giving advice akin to "wear bicycle specific clothing, you're riding a bike, duh!", you're being presumptuous and it's somewhat rude. For example, I bike to my work (at a university) wearing shorts or longer bicycle-specific pants, but take a quick shower and change clothes at the recreation center. I then wear normal street clothes (jeans/t-shirt) for my short ride across campus to my office. I also leave my water bottles in my locker, as I keep a nalgene at my desk. Hence, during my short ride, depending on the wind, I've had the same problem of my baggier jeans catching the water bottle cage if the wind is blowing in the right direction. No, I don't want to remove (or move) my bottle cages as I use them quite often, just not during one short part of my commute.
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OP, I have the same bottle cages and have noticed this same problem with some of my baggier jeans. Generally, I just roll up my pants on both sides. It probably looks pretty funny, but it stops my pants from catching on the bottle cage.

For those of you bashing the OP for this supposed silly question and giving advice akin to "wear bicycle specific clothing, you're riding a bike, duh!", you're being presumptuous and it's somewhat rude. For example, I bike to my work (at a university) wearing shorts or longer bicycle-specific pants, but take a quick shower and change clothes at the recreation center. I then wear normal street clothes (jeans/t-shirt) for my short ride across campus to my office. I also leave my water bottles in my locker, as I keep a nalgene at my desk. Hence, during my short ride, depending on the wind, I've had the same problem of my baggier jeans catching the water bottle cage if the wind is blowing in the right direction. No, I don't want to remove (or move) my bottle cages as I use them quite often, just not during one short part of my commute.
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OP shouldn't have any problem if a bottle is in the cage or if he mounted the cage in a place on the frame out of pedal reach. Both these Copper Canyon bottle cages have been mounted in over 12 years of all weather use. With no pants interference problems.

The OP's problem shouldn't require much wailing and gnashing of teeth, but as you pointed out, it must be slow today and idle minds get working OT.
Tell me about those bikes in the picture.I like them.OP you could roll up your cuffs or get a camelbak.Good luck and keep riding.
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You do know there are normal looking pants that are made for commuting. They usually have a reflective cuff on the inside of the pants. Roll them up a little and you don't have to use the leg straps. I like them but more than I can afford on my budget. You can wear them on and off the bike. You don't have to wear lycra. I think when people recommended cycling PANTS, they were referring to those.

Why not come down off your high horse and stop acting so high and mighty. As of right now you sound like that little nerd that got beat up all the time in school. Trying to use big words and calling everyone "meta-whiners" does not help you in any way, shape, or form. See, instead of insulting people, you could easily say, "thanks for the suggestions" and do your own thing. But, you insult us. If you have any other questions, try keeping an open mind. We many not have the perfect answer, but usually is great about this forum is that we try to help each other. I know that the U.S. is not up to par with most of Europe, but we are there for each other.
Ever think maybe the reason so many people have so many bikes in the shed is because they haven't made the one bike that can do everything they want.

I hope you find someway to keep your pants from getting caught on you cage and I would get that Trek you found. I think it will work best for you.
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Now if cycling was not seen as a frivolous hobby, manufacturers would actually think before their design process went into prototyping if their cages could be snagged on long sleeved pants... Changing clothes just to cycle is a deterrent to cycling often --- FULL STOP.
Well, you've been given several good suggestions as far as water bottle cages and pants bands. So if I were you, I'd say, "Thank you." and move on.

Just one more thing, as someone who wears long pants to cycle. The water bottle cage is not your only enemy. I find that the chainwheel is hungry. It loves the flavor of woven materials. That's why I use the nylon bands with the reflective outside. Comfortable and keeps my pant legs out of danger.
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Just one more thing, as someone who wears long pants to cycle. The water bottle cage is not your only enemy. I find that the chainwheel is hungry. It loves the flavor of woven materials. That's why I use the nylon bands with the reflective outside. Comfortable and keeps my pant legs out of danger.
When you have a problem, you look for a solution. On my bike neither chainrings nor chain have access to the pants. To the extent possible the bike is organized in such a way that you can hop on it and take off and a cage that does not obstruct riding belongs to that organization.
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