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acidfast7 10-10-13 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnJ80 (Post 16148597)
You really are a literal person, aren't you?

:sigh:

:facepalm:

J.

I get paid to be literal and to teach the next generation of scientists. No room for error. I still think you're ignorant of the cycling market.

JohnJ80 10-10-13 07:17 AM

Well, you just enjoy your dynamos in your over regulated "first world" then. Hey, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


J.

acidfast7 10-10-13 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnJ80 (Post 16148635)
Well, you just enjoy your dynamos in your over regulated "first world" then. Hey, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


J.

:lol:

i lived in extensively in both places (US/EU) as has most of my colleagues and most choose one over the other. i leave it you to decide which way you think the split goes.

JohnJ80 10-10-13 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16148604)
I get paid to be literal and to teach the next generation of scientists. No room for error. I still think you're ignorant of the cycling market.

QED

Thought so.

J.

noglider 10-10-13 07:44 AM

A little contentious, aren't we!

acidfast7 10-10-13 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16148711)
a little contentious, aren't we!

:p

cyccommute 10-10-13 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16148551)
Good thing that the EU now has 28 countries.

20M bikes are sold per year in the EU market ...

data here (page 18):

http://www.coliped.com/docs/issuu/Eu...ion%202012.pdf

That crushes the US by at least 50%.

Calling the dynamo market a niche market lies somewhere between na´ve and ignorant.

Well, good for them. Perhaps the EU will start to drive the bicycle market in the future but I doubt it. The US has driven the bicycle market since the mid70 and will probably continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Every innovation for the last 30+ years has come out of the US market or been the result of demand by the US market. Mountain bikes and mountain bike technology has been the main driver, mostly because the UCI doesn't allow for innovation in the road bike market.

The dynamo market is a niche market, at least in the US. I read an article on Peter White in Adventure Cycling this morning in which he talked about his first order of Schmidt hubs. He order 75 of them and it was the largest order that Schmidt had ever had to fill. This was several years ago, but the dynamo market is still very small. Peter White is a giant in that market and he still works out of his basement. The high end battery powered light people probably sell more units per week (and they don't sell all that many units) than he does in year. The "been seen" light market probably sells more in a week than White has ever sold.

Personally, I glad the US doesn't work under the German StVZO regulation. If those regulations were in place in the US, the bicycle would be seen as more of a toy than it is now. Low light output doesn't mean that a cyclist is safer, it just means that they don't get seen. I have never been in a night riding situation where I thought that less light would make me safer. I've actually ridden under low output lights...I've been doing this for 30+ years and have seen just about everything that can make light being used...and I wouldn't go back to them. Multiple bright lights makes others see me as a road user. The whole point is to confuse a driver into thinking that the lights coming at him are something that he might want to pay attention to. I see the confusion every time I go out at night. Motorists wait for a very long time at stopsigns when they look my direction because they can't quite process what is coming at them. It makes them more cautious and, as a result, makes them drive in a manner that is safer for me. I don't blind them...I'm not a jerk...but I do get their attention.

noglider 10-10-13 08:09 AM

cyccommute, it must take a lot of effort to misunderstand so much. OK, sorry. That was nasty. But come on. It's not that lower light makes you safer, it's that it makes others safer and perhaps there is a level above which you get no benefit.

Sometimes regulation stifles innovation. Sometimes it raises the bar and spurs innovation. There is no one predictable outcome, and it is not fruitless to try to regulate a market.

acidfast7 10-10-13 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 16148791)

The dynamo market is a niche market, at least in the US.

Good for the US. It is behind.

Everything else is anecdotal.

As far as driving the market ... :lol:

Bicycles for recreation and as toys perhaps ... bicycles for utilities and day-to-day use ... not even close.

Slaninar 10-10-13 10:27 AM

I think Noglider's is the biggest! :)


Those German regulated lights and dynamos work well and shine nicely.

mrbubbles 10-10-13 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 16147044)
I just got one to. Very impressed. The thing is extremely tiny. It has a couple of warts, however. It's more floody than I like, however. I like the tighter beam that my current lights have better. Both beams are on all the time as well. Would be better with an option to run the beams independently but I suspect that would make the circuitry more difficult.

I may use this one for a few rides but it's going off to my daughter for her to use.

Apparently these are much more spottier. Some vendors are now selling the head lights only, for those who have the batteries already.

http://www.lightmalls.com/solarstorm...head-lamp-only

cyccommute 10-10-13 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbubbles (Post 16149773)
Apparently these are much more spottier. Some vendors are now selling the head lights only, for those who have the batteries already.

http://www.lightmalls.com/solarstorm...head-lamp-only

You can only use that light is you are willing to rock the beehive as well;)

RidingMatthew 10-16-13 10:26 AM

my light finally arrived yesteday. I ordered it on Sept 24 and it arrived Oct 15. $40 for supposed 2000 lumens. I like it so far and it seems pretty bright compared to my PB superflash i was using before. I can see and be seen with it.


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