it's going to be getting darker....
10-10-13, 07:05 AM
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10-10-13, 07:17 AM
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Well, you just enjoy your dynamos in your over regulated "first world" then. Hey, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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10-10-13, 07:20 AM
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i lived in extensively in both places (US/EU) as has most of my colleagues and most choose one over the other. i leave it you to decide which way you think the split goes.
10-10-13, 07:23 AM
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10-10-13, 07:44 AM
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A little contentious, aren't we!
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10-10-13, 08:05 AM
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Good thing that the EU now has 28 countries.
20M bikes are sold per year in the EU market ...
data here (page 18):
https://www.coliped.com/docs/issuu/Eu...ion%202012.pdf
That crushes the US by at least 50%.
Calling the dynamo market a niche market lies somewhere between naïve and ignorant.
20M bikes are sold per year in the EU market ...
data here (page 18):
https://www.coliped.com/docs/issuu/Eu...ion%202012.pdf
That crushes the US by at least 50%.
Calling the dynamo market a niche market lies somewhere between naïve and ignorant.
The dynamo market is a niche market, at least in the US. I read an article on Peter White in Adventure Cycling this morning in which he talked about his first order of Schmidt hubs. He order 75 of them and it was the largest order that Schmidt had ever had to fill. This was several years ago, but the dynamo market is still very small. Peter White is a giant in that market and he still works out of his basement. The high end battery powered light people probably sell more units per week (and they don't sell all that many units) than he does in year. The "been seen" light market probably sells more in a week than White has ever sold.
Personally, I glad the US doesn't work under the German StVZO regulation. If those regulations were in place in the US, the bicycle would be seen as more of a toy than it is now. Low light output doesn't mean that a cyclist is safer, it just means that they don't get seen. I have never been in a night riding situation where I thought that less light would make me safer. I've actually ridden under low output lights...I've been doing this for 30+ years and have seen just about everything that can make light being used...and I wouldn't go back to them. Multiple bright lights makes others see me as a road user. The whole point is to confuse a driver into thinking that the lights coming at him are something that he might want to pay attention to. I see the confusion every time I go out at night. Motorists wait for a very long time at stopsigns when they look my direction because they can't quite process what is coming at them. It makes them more cautious and, as a result, makes them drive in a manner that is safer for me. I don't blind them...I'm not a jerk...but I do get their attention.
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10-10-13, 08:09 AM
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cyccommute, it must take a lot of effort to misunderstand so much. OK, sorry. That was nasty. But come on. It's not that lower light makes you safer, it's that it makes others safer and perhaps there is a level above which you get no benefit.
Sometimes regulation stifles innovation. Sometimes it raises the bar and spurs innovation. There is no one predictable outcome, and it is not fruitless to try to regulate a market.
Sometimes regulation stifles innovation. Sometimes it raises the bar and spurs innovation. There is no one predictable outcome, and it is not fruitless to try to regulate a market.
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10-10-13, 08:10 AM
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10-10-13, 10:27 AM
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I think Noglider's is the biggest! 
Those German regulated lights and dynamos work well and shine nicely.
Those German regulated lights and dynamos work well and shine nicely.
10-10-13, 01:09 PM
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I just got one to. Very impressed. The thing is extremely tiny. It has a couple of warts, however. It's more floody than I like, however. I like the tighter beam that my current lights have better. Both beams are on all the time as well. Would be better with an option to run the beams independently but I suspect that would make the circuitry more difficult.
I may use this one for a few rides but it's going off to my daughter for her to use.
I may use this one for a few rides but it's going off to my daughter for her to use.
https://www.lightmalls.com/solarstorm...head-lamp-only
10-10-13, 05:06 PM
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Apparently these are much more spottier. Some vendors are now selling the head lights only, for those who have the batteries already.
https://www.lightmalls.com/solarstorm...head-lamp-only
https://www.lightmalls.com/solarstorm...head-lamp-only
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10-16-13, 10:26 AM
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my light finally arrived yesteday. I ordered it on Sept 24 and it arrived Oct 15. $40 for supposed 2000 lumens. I like it so far and it seems pretty bright compared to my PB superflash i was using before. I can see and be seen with it.
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