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acidfast7 02-17-14 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaleighSport (Post 16502241)
So do you have a projection of when you might get near their ratios yet?

My first goal is to have the cost of bike covered in bus savings.

The bus is £4.50 ($7.50) round-trip for me. I find that quite expensive for a 18km ride (11.2 miles)

So, I need to ride 88 commutes or 1584km to break even on the cost of the bike, lock, lights and cycloputer.

So, I'm half way there :)

wphamilton 02-17-14 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16502906)
My first goal is to have the cost of bike covered in bus savings.

The bus is £4.50 ($7.50) round-trip for me. I find that quite expensive for a 18km ride (11.2 miles)

So, I need to ride 88 commutes or 1584km to break even on the cost of the bike, lock, lights and cycloputer.

So, I'm half way there :)

I'm rooting for you. I went to check out the walmart thruster I wanted, and I just couldn't bring myself to buy it. Below even my minimum standards. So cheap SSFG commuting test, it's all on you.

RaleighSport 02-17-14 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16502906)
My first goal is to have the cost of bike covered in bus savings.

The bus is £4.50 ($7.50) round-trip for me. I find that quite expensive for a 18km ride (11.2 miles)

So, I need to ride 88 commutes or 1584km to break even on the cost of the bike, lock, lights and cycloputer.

So, I'm half way there :)

With all your other cost numbers it sadly makes sense that a bus ride would cost that much, that's about double what my local public transit would charge for the same distance trip.

acidfast7 02-17-14 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 16502977)
I'm rooting for you. I went to check out the walmart thruster I wanted, and I just couldn't bring myself to buy it. Below even my minimum standards. So cheap SSFG commuting test, it's all on you.

:)

let's see how it goes! I need to put some mudguards on!

acidfast7 02-17-14 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaleighSport (Post 16502991)
With all your other cost numbers it sadly makes sense that a bus ride would cost that much, that's about double what my local public transit would charge for the same distance trip.

yeah ... i find most things expensive compared to Germany ... except food ...

the pubs are quite good ...

i think keeping my transportation costs around zero is a good thing

it is interesting as emotionally I think £4.50 isn't so much but $7.50 is a huge amount.

acidfast7 02-17-14 04:11 PM

2 Attachment(s)
stats:

856km/532mi
£396/$662 total
£0.46/km
€0.56/km
$1.24/mi

goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:

7239km/4495mi
£267/$438
3.7p/km
4.4c/km
9.7¢/mi

and of Slaninar:

12700km/7891mi
£703/€849/$1160
5.5p/km
6.7c/km
14.7¢/mi

photos:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364746

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364747

acidfast7 02-17-14 06:12 PM

update ...

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364767

+£25/€30.5/$41.8 to be added to next total ... there goes the ratios

tired of having a wet ass at the pub!

Slaninar 02-18-14 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16504090)
update ...

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364767

+£25/€30.5/$41.8 to be added to next total ... there goes the ratios

tired of having a wet ass at the pub!

Always wondered about "mudguardless" commuters - seems like to much trouble for little aero gain. :)

acidfast7 02-18-14 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slaninar (Post 16504920)
Always wondered about "mudguardless" commuters - seems like to much trouble for little aero gain. :)

:)

Laziness and cheapness were my reasons!

I'm not much of an aero guy!

How's the new dérailleur?

Slaninar 02-18-14 04:06 AM

Nice - works flawless. The old one was already a bit knackered (from falls before I put some fender to protect it when falling).

bigbenaugust 02-18-14 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16504090)
tired of having a wet ass at the pub!

Nobody likes a wet ass at the pub. :)

JReade 02-18-14 08:12 AM

http://ass-savers.com/ is what a lot of guys use around here

acidfast7 02-18-14 02:11 PM

2 Attachment(s)
stats:

875km/543mi
£421/$703 total
£0.48/km
€0.58/km
$1.29/mi

goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:

7239km/4495mi
£267/$438
3.7p/km
4.4c/km
9.7¢/mi

and of Slaninar:

12700km/7891mi
£703/€849/$1160
5.5p/km
6.7c/km
14.7¢/mi

photos:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364862

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364864

I-Like-To-Bike 02-18-14 11:14 PM

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Photo of $99 fixed gear/single speed freewheel bike with flashy/gaudy color scheme currently sold at Walmart. Has 622 x 40mm tires so should provide a reasonably comfy ride while providing the alleged benefits of a super cheap fixed gear/freewheel single speed bike for commuting. One local college age man rides one of these every day to the gym; he seems pleased with it. He probably doesn't read BF so is uninformed about the "horrors" of ownership of such a bike.

Slaninar 02-18-14 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16507959)
Photo of $99 fixed gear/single speed freewheel bike with flashy/gaudy color scheme currently sold at Walmart. Has 622 x 40mm tires so should provide a reasonably comfy ride while providing the alleged benefits of a super cheap fixed gear/freewheel single speed bike for commuting. One local college age man rides one of these every day to the gym; he seems pleased with it. He probably doesn't read BF so is uninformed about the "horrors" of ownership of such a bike.

"BSOs" like this one were mass produced and sold rather cheap back in the days. Before "SS" was hip, this was the default bike. Geared ones were exotic. "Fivespeeders" and "Tenspeeders". :)

http://www.njuskalo.hr/image-bigger/...a-17363386.jpg

They are sold for around 50 euros in decent condition, but LBS couldn't find me a BB (didn't want to edit the frame to fit the modern BBs) for it, so my grandma's 1950s SS had to get retired. I'm still using it's mudguards on my current commuter.

acidfast7 02-19-14 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16507959)
Photo of $99 fixed gear/single speed freewheel bike with flashy/gaudy color scheme currently sold at Walmart. Has 622 x 40mm tires so should provide a reasonably comfy ride while providing the alleged benefits of a super cheap fixed gear/freewheel single speed bike for commuting. One local college age man rides one of these every day to the gym; he seems pleased with it. He probably doesn't read BF so is uninformed about the "horrors" of ownership of such a bike.

I'd test it!

acidfast7 02-19-14 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slaninar (Post 16507997)
"BSOs" like this one were mass produced and sold rather cheap back in the days. Before "SS" was hip, this was the default bike. Geared ones were exotic. "Fivespeeders" and "Tenspeeders". :)

http://www.njuskalo.hr/image-bigger/...a-17363386.jpg

They are sold for around 50 euros in decent condition, but LBS couldn't find me a BB (didn't want to edit the frame to fit the modern BBs) for it, so my grandma's 1950s SS had to get retired. I'm still using it's mudguards on my current commuter.

Sweet! It belongs on the streets of CPH!

bigbenaugust 02-19-14 11:51 AM

One the one hand, a chain tensioner. $15 per pair, but I am only using one, so $8.
On the other... I broke 5000mi.
Thus,

8093km/5029mi
$446
$.089/mi
$.055/km ($US/km is kind of a funny metric :D )

I have new bar tape coming. Shipping the bike cross-country UPS and breaking down and reconstituting the bike last year was rough on the bar tape.

DiegoFrogs 02-19-14 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16508174)
Sweet! It belongs on the streets of CPH!

It wouldn't look out of place here in Lund or in Malmö, either! I have to start taking pictures of some of the cool chainguards that I see, too.

I was surprised to find that my local grocery store stocks bicycle tubes and patch kits, but the tubes all have Dunlop valves! I've never seen them before in the USA!!

acidfast7 02-19-14 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs (Post 16509652)
It wouldn't look out of place here in Lund or in Malmö, either! I have to start taking pictures of some of the cool chainguards that I see, too.

I was surprised to find that my local grocery store stocks bicycle tubes and patch kits, but the tubes all have Dunlop valves! I've never seen them before in the USA!!

ICA, Coop, Willys eller PrisXtra?

Kan du nu pratar svenska?

God natt och hej då!

acidfast7 02-19-14 05:32 PM

2 Attachment(s)
stats:

896km/556mi
£421/$702 total
£0.47/km
€0.57/km
$1.26/mi

goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:

8093km/5029mi
£267/$446
3.3p/km
4.0c/km
8.8¢/mi

and of Slaninar:

12700km/7891mi
£703/€849/$1160
5.5p/km
6.7c/km
14.7¢/mi

photos:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364987

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364988

acidfast7 02-19-14 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbenaugust (Post 16509265)
One the one hand, a chain tensioner. $15 per pair, but I am only using one, so $8.
On the other... I broke 5000mi.
Thus,

8093km/5029mi
$446
$.089/mi
$.055/km ($US/km is kind of a funny metric :D )

I have new bar tape coming. Shipping the bike cross-country UPS and breaking down and reconstituting the bike last year was rough on the bar tape.

Thanks for updating ... how about a recent photo :D

RaleighSport 02-19-14 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16507959)
Photo of $99 fixed gear/single speed freewheel bike with flashy/gaudy color scheme currently sold at Walmart. Has 622 x 40mm tires so should provide a reasonably comfy ride while providing the alleged benefits of a super cheap fixed gear/freewheel single speed bike for commuting. One local college age man rides one of these every day to the gym; he seems pleased with it. He probably doesn't read BF so is uninformed about the "horrors" of ownership of such a bike.

Should I be shunned since I keep an eye out for sales on those? If I see one new for 60 and still boxed not built I'm gonna be on it like white on rice.

And hypothetical question for Acid:
If I were to want to valuate my commuter for the purposes of working out one of these ratios what would you think would be a good starting point considering:

1:Frameset/fork/headset/seatpost and binder were freebies

2: Wheelset/tires/tubes/chain/cranks/chain/stem/bars/levers etc etc etc came from parts pile

3: I think I bought it a bar mounted bottle cage for about 6 bucks.. this is the only purchase I can remember making for this bike.

I think you can see my problem here as I don't feel $6 is necessarily a good valuation but that's where it stands in my mind.

acidfast7 02-19-14 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaleighSport (Post 16510449)
Should I be shunned since I keep an eye out for sales on those? If I see one new for 60 and still boxed not built I'm gonna be on it like white on rice.

And hypothetical question for Acid:
If I were to want to valuate my commuter for the purposes of working out one of these ratios what would you think would be a good starting point considering:

1:Frameset/fork/headset/seatpost and binder were freebies

2: Wheelset/tires/tubes/chain/cranks/chain/stem/bars/levers etc etc etc came from parts pile

3: I think I bought it a bar mounted bottle cage for about 6 bucks.. this is the only purchase I can remember making for this bike.

I think you can see my problem here as I don't feel $6 is necessarily a good valuation but that's where it stands in my mind.

Well, your time has value or? Sal's bike built up at a shop and included labor costs.

What do you think is a reasonable cost estimate for the bike? How much would it have cost to replace when you originally had "0" miles/km on it?

Just give us some numbers :D

RaleighSport 02-19-14 08:43 PM

I enjoy wrenching and it gives me peace of mind... so I consider it a no loss when I'm working on my own bikes. If I were to replace it now.. a comparable bike would probably be 400-500 new via something like bikes direct. I'll fudge up some numbers later.


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