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acidfast7 10-23-13 01:35 PM

off to CPH for 5 days:


acidfast7 10-29-13 02:43 PM

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back in the Mango saddle again and all seems good:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=348402

DiegoFrogs 10-29-13 04:17 PM

Copenhagen looks really nice. I flew into it on my way to Sweden recently, but didn't get to spend any time there.

The quantity and variety of city bikes in Sweden was really surprising. Ironically, the brand I spotted the most was called "Yosemite," the house brand of Biltema, which I think must have been a joke about Americans. They offered some pretty affordable stuff with IGHs and dynamo hubs.

acidfast7 10-29-13 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs (Post 16202615)
Copenhagen looks really nice. I flew into it on my way to Sweden recently, but didn't get to spend any time there.

The quantity and variety of city bikes in Sweden was really surprising. Ironically, the brand I spotted the most was called "Yosemite," the house brand of Biltema, which I think must have been a joke about Americans. They offered some pretty affordable stuff with IGHs and dynamo hubs.

Let me know next time you're in CPH and you stay at my place here in city centre:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gr...%B8benhavn.jpg

DVC45 10-29-13 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16185442)

They don't use studded tires in Winter?

acidfast7 10-30-13 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DVC45 (Post 16202964)
They don't use studded tires in Winter?

no, same bike chained up year round on the square I posted above and it only gets air in the tires like every other bike in the city.

salt isn't allowed as it's bad for the environment/infrastructure. so, sand it is.

in Germany, it's a punishable offence to use salt, not sure about the danish law.

Phil_gretz 10-30-13 08:29 AM

I was able to purchase this fg/ss for ~295 British pounds:

http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12294000

using the store coupon to save an additional $50 by joining their savings club (free). So, $475 before tax, $507 out the door.

It's not a BSO by any means.

acidfast7 10-30-13 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz (Post 16204234)
I was able to purchase this fg/ss for ~295 British pounds:

http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12294000

using the store coupon to save an additional $50 by joining their savings club (free). So, $475 before tax, $507 out the door.

It's not a BSO by any means.

great! do that in the UK and I'll be impressed ... not really ... but it shows that people still don't understand how cheap the US is (with the pros/cons that go along with low costs).

also, i'm not so sure what makes that bike so great ... don't say frame as i'm not sure that over the average first-owner-bike-lifetime there will be difference between 520 and hi-ten. alu and steel yes, steel vs. steel not so much.

RaleighSport 10-30-13 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16204270)
great! do that in the UK and I'll be impressed ... not really ... but it shows that people still don't understand how cheap the US is (with the pros/cons that go along with low costs).

also, i'm not so sure what makes that bike so great ... don't say frame as i'm not sure that over the average first-owner-bike-lifetime there will be difference between 520 and hi-ten. alu and steel yes, steel vs. steel not so much.

Oh they'll notice the difference between 520 and hi-ten..if they can get their hands on both and FWIW I'd rock the linked bike but I still shudder looking at that mango. Interesting, I found it in the UK for 75 more pounds then you paid for the Mango btw. http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...-bike-ec041519 and one went on ebay for 105 pounds as well.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New-...-/171098914083

How's the mango holding up? I do still watch this thread ;)

acidfast7 10-30-13 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RaleighSport (Post 16204298)
Oh they'll notice the difference between 520 and hi-ten..if they can get their hands on both and FWIW I'd rock the linked bike but I still shudder looking at that mango. Interesting, I found it in the UK for 75 more pounds then you paid for the Mango btw. http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...-bike-ec041519 and one went on ebay for 105 pounds as well.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New-...-/171098914083

How's the mango holding up? I do still watch this thread ;)

perfect ... as should be expected!

i don't buy anything on eBay*.

*except vintage '50s Danish furniture.

i think the 520/hi-ten debate is psychosomatic and if one did a blind test (the was properly controlled ... making a hi-ten frame look like a 520 frame) that i would wager that the riders couldn't discern between the bikes above random chance.

i can't believe that a bike company hasn't done this ... maybe they have and came to these results, which will never see the light of day ;)

edit: i paid £295 for the Mango ... the bike you linked is £450

??

RaleighSport 10-30-13 09:19 AM

375 it said actually, but you will notice the difference on identical bikes with tubesets that have that dramatic of difference, the closer the level of the tubeset though the less noticeable it becomes of course.. like riding 531 and SL I doubt anyone notices any difference between those two, with the exception of possibly frame builders and pro's.

WestMass 10-30-13 09:32 AM

What is bso

acidfast7 10-30-13 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RaleighSport (Post 16204404)
375 it said actually, but you will notice the difference on identical bikes with tubesets that have that dramatic of difference, the closer the level of the tubeset though the less noticeable it becomes of course.. like riding 531 and SL I doubt anyone notices any difference between those two, with the exception of possibly frame builders and pro's.

£375 to the US
£450 to the UK

welcome to VAT :D

select buy in UK and ship to UK and you'll see the premium we have to pay :(

personally, i think people overrate the differences between frame material within different classes of steel. geometry and build quality really matter as do extra options like braze-ons and stuff, but the actually material IMHO isn't that big of a deal itself if it's all steel.

acidfast7 10-30-13 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WestMass (Post 16204466)
What is bso

Bodenseeschifffahrtsordnung

bike shaped object

locolobo13 10-30-13 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16204480)
Bodenseeschifffahrtsordnung

Gesundheit! lol

Constance Marine Regulatory?

acidfast7 10-30-13 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by locolobo13 (Post 16204709)
Gesundheit! lol

Constance Marine Regulatory?

Lake Constance (Bodensee - Bottom/Floor Sea - in German)) Marine (Ship driving) Organisation

noglider 10-30-13 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16204480)
Bodenseeschifffahrtsordnung

bike shaped object

He's messing with you. Swipe your mouse over the area below that word to see the real meaning. It refers to crap sold in department stores that isn't designed to work well or last. As others have argued in this thread, this particular BSO isn't all that crappy.

bigbenaugust 10-30-13 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WestMass (Post 16204466)
What is bso

Boy Scouts of Osterreich?

acidfast7 10-30-13 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbenaugust (Post 16204894)
Boy Scouts of Osterreich?

® + O = ÷

:)

÷sterreich.

I have a Japanese keyboard set in a Swedish configuration so I can do all kinds of weird things :D

bigbenaugust 10-30-13 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 16204928)
® + O = ÷

:)

÷sterreich.

I have a Japanese keyboard set in a Swedish configuration so I can do all kinds of weird things :D

I have an English keyboard in an English (well, en_US) configuration... and was too darn lazy to fire up the character map. :)

alan s 10-30-13 12:10 PM

Boston Symphony Orchestra. Great to listen to whilst bike commuting.

http://www.bso.org

I-Like-To-Bike 10-30-13 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16204815)
As others have argued in this thread, this particular BSO isn't all that crappy.

I thought the argument also was that it wasn't anywhere near as inexpensive as the typical so-called "BSO's" found elsewhere.

acidfast7 10-30-13 12:50 PM

relevant:


fwiw, it's pretty much a BSO over here although you may be able to something a little cheaper, but not by much, especially not a coloured FGSS.

noglider 10-30-13 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16205097)
I thought the argument also was that it wasn't anywhere near as inexpensive as the typical so-called "BSO's" found elsewhere.

Hey, if we want, maybe we should start quoting all the previous posts in this thread. Then the posts will get longer and longer and meaninglesser and meaninglesser.

Just messin' with ya.

noglider 10-30-13 01:05 PM

Oh you want videos?



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