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    http://www.538.nl acidfast7's Avatar
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    off to CPH for 5 days:

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    back in the Mango saddle again and all seems good:

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    Copenhagen looks really nice. I flew into it on my way to Sweden recently, but didn't get to spend any time there.

    The quantity and variety of city bikes in Sweden was really surprising. Ironically, the brand I spotted the most was called "Yosemite," the house brand of Biltema, which I think must have been a joke about Americans. They offered some pretty affordable stuff with IGHs and dynamo hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs View Post
    Copenhagen looks really nice. I flew into it on my way to Sweden recently, but didn't get to spend any time there.

    The quantity and variety of city bikes in Sweden was really surprising. Ironically, the brand I spotted the most was called "Yosemite," the house brand of Biltema, which I think must have been a joke about Americans. They offered some pretty affordable stuff with IGHs and dynamo hubs.
    Let me know next time you're in CPH and you stay at my place here in city centre:

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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post

    They don't use studded tires in Winter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC45 View Post
    They don't use studded tires in Winter?
    no, same bike chained up year round on the square I posted above and it only gets air in the tires like every other bike in the city.

    salt isn't allowed as it's bad for the environment/infrastructure. so, sand it is.

    in Germany, it's a punishable offence to use salt, not sure about the danish law.
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    I was able to purchase this fg/ss for ~295 British pounds:

    http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12294000

    using the store coupon to save an additional $50 by joining their savings club (free). So, $475 before tax, $507 out the door.

    It's not a BSO by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
    I was able to purchase this fg/ss for ~295 British pounds:

    http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12294000

    using the store coupon to save an additional $50 by joining their savings club (free). So, $475 before tax, $507 out the door.

    It's not a BSO by any means.
    great! do that in the UK and I'll be impressed ... not really ... but it shows that people still don't understand how cheap the US is (with the pros/cons that go along with low costs).

    also, i'm not so sure what makes that bike so great ... don't say frame as i'm not sure that over the average first-owner-bike-lifetime there will be difference between 520 and hi-ten. alu and steel yes, steel vs. steel not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    great! do that in the UK and I'll be impressed ... not really ... but it shows that people still don't understand how cheap the US is (with the pros/cons that go along with low costs).

    also, i'm not so sure what makes that bike so great ... don't say frame as i'm not sure that over the average first-owner-bike-lifetime there will be difference between 520 and hi-ten. alu and steel yes, steel vs. steel not so much.
    Oh they'll notice the difference between 520 and hi-ten..if they can get their hands on both and FWIW I'd rock the linked bike but I still shudder looking at that mango. Interesting, I found it in the UK for 75 more pounds then you paid for the Mango btw. http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...-bike-ec041519 and one went on ebay for 105 pounds as well.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New-...-/171098914083

    How's the mango holding up? I do still watch this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    Oh they'll notice the difference between 520 and hi-ten..if they can get their hands on both and FWIW I'd rock the linked bike but I still shudder looking at that mango. Interesting, I found it in the UK for 75 more pounds then you paid for the Mango btw. http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...-bike-ec041519 and one went on ebay for 105 pounds as well.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New-...-/171098914083

    How's the mango holding up? I do still watch this thread
    perfect ... as should be expected!

    i don't buy anything on eBay*.

    *except vintage '50s Danish furniture.

    i think the 520/hi-ten debate is psychosomatic and if one did a blind test (the was properly controlled ... making a hi-ten frame look like a 520 frame) that i would wager that the riders couldn't discern between the bikes above random chance.

    i can't believe that a bike company hasn't done this ... maybe they have and came to these results, which will never see the light of day

    edit: i paid £295 for the Mango ... the bike you linked is £450

    ??
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    375 it said actually, but you will notice the difference on identical bikes with tubesets that have that dramatic of difference, the closer the level of the tubeset though the less noticeable it becomes of course.. like riding 531 and SL I doubt anyone notices any difference between those two, with the exception of possibly frame builders and pro's.
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    What is bso
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    375 it said actually, but you will notice the difference on identical bikes with tubesets that have that dramatic of difference, the closer the level of the tubeset though the less noticeable it becomes of course.. like riding 531 and SL I doubt anyone notices any difference between those two, with the exception of possibly frame builders and pro's.
    £375 to the US
    £450 to the UK

    welcome to VAT

    select buy in UK and ship to UK and you'll see the premium we have to pay

    personally, i think people overrate the differences between frame material within different classes of steel. geometry and build quality really matter as do extra options like braze-ons and stuff, but the actually material IMHO isn't that big of a deal itself if it's all steel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestMass View Post
    What is bso
    Bodenseeschifffahrtsordnung

    bike shaped object
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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    Bodenseeschifffahrtsordnung
    Gesundheit! lol

    Constance Marine Regulatory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by locolobo13 View Post
    Gesundheit! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    Bodenseeschifffahrtsordnung

    bike shaped object
    He's messing with you. Swipe your mouse over the area below that word to see the real meaning. It refers to crap sold in department stores that isn't designed to work well or last. As others have argued in this thread, this particular BSO isn't all that crappy.
    You don't read my signature anyway, do you?

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    What is bso
    Boy Scouts of Osterreich?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
    Boy Scouts of Osterreich?
    ¨ + O = Ö



    Österreich.

    I have a Japanese keyboard set in a Swedish configuration so I can do all kinds of weird things
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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    ¨ + O = Ö



    Österreich.

    I have a Japanese keyboard set in a Swedish configuration so I can do all kinds of weird things
    I have an English keyboard in an English (well, en_US) configuration... and was too darn lazy to fire up the character map.
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    Boston Symphony Orchestra. Great to listen to whilst bike commuting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    As others have argued in this thread, this particular BSO isn't all that crappy.
    I thought the argument also was that it wasn't anywhere near as inexpensive as the typical so-called "BSO's" found elsewhere.

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    relevant:



    fwiw, it's pretty much a BSO over here although you may be able to something a little cheaper, but not by much, especially not a coloured FGSS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    I thought the argument also was that it wasn't anywhere near as inexpensive as the typical so-called "BSO's" found elsewhere.
    Hey, if we want, maybe we should start quoting all the previous posts in this thread. Then the posts will get longer and longer and meaninglesser and meaninglesser.

    Just messin' with ya.
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    Oh you want videos?

    You don't read my signature anyway, do you?

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