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Standalone 11-13-13 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by enigmaT120 (Post 16244107)
Doesn't the fringe on your boots get caught in the chain/sprocket, Standalone?

Nobody else is looking at my boots, you know...

Ghost Ryder 11-13-13 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Standalone (Post 16245092)
Nobody else is looking at my boots, you know...

And you seem to have stopped traffic.
:lol:

Standalone 11-13-13 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Ryder (Post 16245098)
And you seem to have stopped traffic.
:lol:

Safest way to travel, boys. Safest way to travel.

Ghost Ryder 11-13-13 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Standalone (Post 16245198)
Safest way to travel, boys. Safest way to travel.

Being visible is the key to safety while commuting!
:lol:

Phil_gretz 11-14-13 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 16213743)
By all means,come to DC and ride ... I'll send flowers to your funeral. ... DC was the area that originally coined the term 'aggressive driving'.

I rarely ride a bike in the District, living and working across in Virginia. I have noticed that the center of downtown DC (~50 square block area containing the Capitol area and monuments) can be relatively bike friendly, where drivers are tempered by Police presence, tourists and camera ticketing. But as you go outward toward the city fringes and beginning suburbs, the traffic becomes almost frenzied. I think that dynarider has it correct.

Judicious use of the sidewalk is okay, but I liked the term "guest" applied to bike riders there, deferring to others.

enigmaT120 11-14-13 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Standalone (Post 16245092)
Nobody else is looking at my boots, you know...

Well, I suppose. And I'm not really a sartorialist, either.

http://images.thesartorialist.com/th...ike3331web.jpg

Ghost Ryder 11-14-13 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by enigmaT120 (Post 16247194)
Well, I suppose. And I'm not really a sartorialist, either.

http://images.thesartorialist.com/th...ike3331web.jpg

Dismount, & walking in a cross"walk".
:thumb:
Glad to see I'm not the only in here to practice this motion.

MEversbergII 11-15-13 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Standalone (Post 16245092)
Nobody else is looking at my boots, you know...

The boot fringe was my first thought >.>

The second was "Aw, she's adorable!"

The third was "Holy crap, that's you?"

M.

rekmeyata 11-16-13 08:09 AM

Being an old fart, I just don't understand this tattoo fad, I think it distracts from the beauty of a person and ruins it. I see women with this stuff and I just shake my head, and the crazy part is, when a person reaches 40's or so they're going to look at themselves in the mirror and ask why they got that particular tattoo, not to mention as they get older than that it fads and become wrinkled and looks really bad. I know, it's personal expression of art, all I see is graffiti on a human instead of on a building and it's ugly and destroys the property on which it's on! The same is true with all the piercings.

Don't shoot me, it's just my opinion.

Standalone 11-16-13 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MEversbergII (Post 16250906)
The boot fringe was my first thought >.>

The second was "Aw, she's adorable!"

The third was "Holy crap, that's you?"

M.

Aw, shucks.

Walter S 11-16-13 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RaveLeTour (Post 16213214)
Its called a side "walk" for a reason. In some cities/states there are rules that bar bicycles from sidewalks entirely. Especially in places that have designated bike lanes.

My safety comes first. I could care less about arbitrary rules. Especially when the sidewalk is very rideable, safe, and empty. I'm the same way with traffic laws. My safety is #1 , traffic laws are #2 , being courteous to motorists and pedestrians is #3 .

I'll just have to forego the opportunity to go to the morgue feeling smug about being a law abiding citizen.

rekmeyata 11-16-13 05:37 PM

Sidewalks are NOT the safest place to ride much to your disappointment and disbelief, in fact it's the most dangerous place to ride unless you're a small child. First you have to deal with pedestrians that are able to all sorts of unexpected things and their not expecting a faster object nor looking for them; you have old folks who can't hear or walk well, wheelchairs, people with baby strollers, pets, and children; then you have to deal with crosswalks; then you have deal with driveways where motorists are zipping in and out of and not looking for nor expecting a 15 mph plus object to suddenly be where it wasn't and smacko the motorist won't have time to stop from hitting you. You are at a greater chance of being hit by a car on a sidewalk then the street and this is common knowledge.

The only time I ever use a sidewalk is where it is a designated bike path and then I very careful and ride slowly; or if traffic is too busy and I need to make my way across an intersection to turn left I will pull over the side of a road, dismount the bike and use the crosswalks to get to the other side so I can continue on the street. One the things I hated about riding a bike in California along the coast in places like Santa Barbara was that the bike path, which was designated a bike path, instead became a pedestrian path at which point it was too dangerous to ride on due to the crowds so onto the street I went.

MEversbergII 11-16-13 06:03 PM

Narrowly avoided disaster today. Walking down the sidewalk to the grocer with the SO and our dog, a kid on a BMX bike books it past us at around 20MPH (downhill and all). He actually brushed the sleeve of my jacket, he was so close. Now, I've got these kinda cripple legs so I don't always walk in the straightest of lines, so had it been a moment sooner or later, it might have ended pretty badly for all of us.

M.

catonec 11-16-13 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by enigmaT120 (Post 16244107)
Doesn't the fringe on your boots get caught in the chain/sprocket, Standalone?

if not the boot fringe then the super baggy pants, and yes very cute.

Walter S 11-16-13 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rekmeyata (Post 16252392)
Sidewalks are NOT the safest place to ride much to your disappointment and disbelief, in fact it's the most dangerous place to ride unless you're a small child. First you have to deal with pedestrians that are able to all sorts of unexpected things and their not expecting a faster object nor looking for them; you have old folks who can't hear or walk well, wheelchairs, people with baby strollers, pets, and children; then you have to deal with crosswalks; then you have deal with driveways where motorists are zipping in and out of and not looking for nor expecting a 15 mph plus object to suddenly be where it wasn't and smacko the motorist won't have time to stop from hitting you. You are at a greater chance of being hit by a car on a sidewalk then the street and this is common knowledge.

The only time I ever use a sidewalk is where it is a designated bike path and then I very careful and ride slowly; or if traffic is too busy and I need to make my way across an intersection to turn left I will pull over the side of a road, dismount the bike and use the crosswalks to get to the other side so I can continue on the street. One the things I hated about riding a bike in California along the coast in places like Santa Barbara was that the bike path, which was designated a bike path, instead became a pedestrian path at which point it was too dangerous to ride on due to the crowds so onto the street I went.

I ride 20 miles to work. Of that about 3 miles is an off-road paved trail (Atlanta Beltline). About 12 miles of it are low traffic neighborhood roads I've gone out of my way to learn about in the interest of safety and a peaceful existence. Another few miles are busy multilane roads up and down significant hills where I ride with road traffic. About 3/4 mile (cumulative estimate) is sidewalk in areas with fast narrow busy lanes and big trucks and a nice wide empty smooth sidewalk. Often I'm on the sidewalk for 500 feet. It's an important 500 right there.

Your points are dead wrong for the sidewalks I'm talking about. I have one rule. Love thyself. I'm not hurting anybody.

Walter S 11-16-13 08:45 PM

I should say I certainly agree with your points most of the time. Let me be clear about that. There are select places where I'm quite glad I have a sidewalk available. But usually I avoid them. I'm only saying they can be the safest option. You can't make absolute rules if safety is your primary concern.

Ghost Ryder 11-16-13 09:03 PM

Again...
Side"walk"...
Simple as that.
MUP's are dangerous enough, & pedestrians know to expect cyclists.
Just as there are many variables to riding on the road, there are equal if not more variables when you choose to ride on the sidewalk.
Its funny that you call out rekmeyata, all his/her points are credible, yet you claim one reason, & its for your "own" safety.

The "Me 1st" attitude is what's wrong with our society, not only with cyclist, drivers, & pedestrians. Its not surprising why they pit us against each other in the media.
How can we live in harmony when we often choose to cross borders/live on the edge.
If it takes such an effort to ride up a hill for you on your bike, how much more if an effort does it take for you dismount, & walk up the sidewalk like the rest of the pedestrains.

Again not trying to sway your choice, I just don't see where you guys are coming from.
Not singling you out Walter S, this is geared to the people who ride on sidewalks.

Walter S 11-17-13 05:12 AM

Like I say, when I ride on a clear and EMPTY OF ANY PEDESTRIANS/OTHER sidewalk I'm not impacting ANYBODY. There is not an issue here where I'm failing to "live in harmony" with others. The concept of harmony involves more than one entity. In the cases where I get on the "sidewalk" the only entity involved is me.

Several people here are hung up by the term "sidewalk" like the name itself dictates some invariant purpose to it. To me it's a flat slab of concrete that I can ride my bicycle on without being in the road with the cars. I refuse to let the term "walk" in the name force me into compliance with norms that go against my better judgment of appropriate behavior at that moment in time.

In my daily commute I ride several miles of busy roads out there with the cars and abstain from riding on the available sidewalks because of reasons stated on this thread that I accept as valid. But where the sidewalk is safer than the road I do ride on it. The sidewalk amounts to about 5% of my ride each day.

Ghost Ryder 11-17-13 11:45 AM

"If a tree falls in a forest, & no one is around does it make a sound?" ;)

If the road is busy, how does this make you the only "entity"?
Concrete slabs are also present in the foundations of many buildings, would you consider riding your bike in the supermarket, or the mall perhaps?


No need to get your panties in a bunch, I stated I wasn't singling you out, & am clearly not trying to change your "view". Its clearly not going to happen along with the many that share your opinion.
I'm just sharing my "view"/voicing my opinion on a public forum.
This topic is part of an open discussion, that's what we're here to do.
There no need for me the "get over it", I ride in compliance with our laws, so do you.

goldfinch 11-17-13 12:10 PM

The street is what I favor unless there is a reason that the street is especially unsafe. The only place I have used sidewalks is for a few block stretches in Clearwater, Florida where the bike lane disappeared and the street was busy with crazy Florida drivers. Clearwater did not have many back streets that went through to where you wanted to go. It probably is the worst place I have ever ridden a bicycle despite the fact that it had a couple of lovely bike paths. It was illegal but I did it anyway because it was the only somewhat safe thing to do. Or I took the bus. Which I also did quite a bit to get to bike paths.

goldfinch 11-17-13 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rekmeyata (Post 16251396)
Being an old fart, I just don't understand this tattoo fad, I think it distracts from the beauty of a person and ruins it. I see women with this stuff and I just shake my head, and the crazy part is, when a person reaches 40's or so they're going to look at themselves in the mirror and ask why they got that particular tattoo, not to mention as they get older than that it fads and become wrinkled and looks really bad. I know, it's personal expression of art, all I see is graffiti on a human instead of on a building and it's ugly and destroys the property on which it's on! The same is true with all the piercings.

Don't shoot me, it's just my opinion.

I'm an old fart and I love tatoos. And what they look like when you get old? They will look like the rest of you: old. Just my opinion, I know these things are a matter of taste and in large part cultural.

rekmeyata 11-17-13 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Walter S (Post 16252756)

Your points are dead wrong for the sidewalks I'm talking about. I have one rule. Love thyself. I'm not hurting anybody.

Not knowing where you ride on the sidewalk is I'm not going to argue with whether or not you're right or wrong, but riding on sidewalks in most areas is a bad and dangerous idea, in fact it's against the law in most states! Here is a site from the state of Georgia that explains the law and why the law is there; see: http://www.atlantabike.org/content/G...ts-ride-street

So I'm not dead wrong in regards to sidewalks in general, and like I said earlier the path in our town goes onto sidewalks in the downtown section and there it is legal for people over 12 years old to ride on the sidewalk, but not on any other sidewalk UNLESS it's part of the bike path system. I would assume, though you need to check with your local government, that the 500 feet that you ride on the sidewalk if it's not designated as a bike path then you are breaking the law, but check with your local authorities before getting mad at me for mentioning that.

Walter S 11-17-13 03:58 PM

Like you say, you don't know where I ride on the sidewalk. You're not qualified to judge. But feel free to judge away. I know safety from danger and I'll keep doing what I do. And I really could not care less about the law.

Ghost Ryder 11-17-13 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Walter S (Post 16254285)
Like you say, you don't know where I ride on the sidewalk. You're not qualified to judge. But feel free to judge away. I know safety from danger and I'll keep doing what I do. And I really could not care less about the law.

Again the whole "Me 1st" mentality, @ its best/worst...

You do realize laws are put in place as a form of safety for all.
If you feel unsafe, contact your local authorities, or find another route to travel.
If I find a route I take to dangerous, I simply just find another.

Walter S 11-17-13 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Ryder (Post 16254332)
Again the whole "Me 1st" mentality, @ its best/worst...

You do realize laws are put in place as a form of safety for all.
If you feel unsafe, contact your local authorities, or find another route to travel.

I'm not interfering with anybody else on the planet. So I think only control freaks need care what I'm doing to protect myself.


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