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    Micheal Gallagher is currently on a rant against bicyclists

    His ignorance isn't new nor perhaps unusual for someone from Texas.

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    Sounds like he's up in arms over some article someone wrote that an inattentive driver who hits a little girl will be prosecuted, but an inattentive driver who hits a bicyclist will not be prosecuted. According to Gallagher, and at least two attorneys who've called in, bicyclists are not entitled to ride on the road with cars and should never ride on the road with cars except in local neighborhoods. His and his listeners view is that bicyclists sort of get what they deserve.

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    If those attorneys are knowingly misrepresenting the law, I wonder if they are committing an ethical violation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooker View Post
    If those attorneys are knowingly misrepresenting the law, I wonder if they are committing an ethical violation.
    Good point. I'm not sure where the line is between advising a client and any other commentary. I'm not sure they said that riding in traffic is illegal rather than technically opining that bicycles do not belong on the roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooker View Post
    If those attorneys are knowingly misrepresenting the law, I wonder if they are committing an ethical violation.
    He's probably just lying about calling attorneys, or misrepresenting what they said.
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    I guess bicyclists should be tax exempt to road infrastructure then? maybe make a tax for people who drive? but i am sure they wouldn't like that!

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    This guy broadcasts about six miles from my office. Scary.
    That's gonna leave a mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerteeuwen View Post
    I guess bicyclists should be tax exempt to road infrastructure then? maybe make a tax for people who drive? but i am sure they wouldn't like that!
    He did go on for a bit that if bike riders want to ride on the roads they should help pay for them. I'm guessing he doesn't know that over 50% of road funding in most states comes from general funds and property taxes.

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    I've never heard of the guy, but have grown up in the DFW area. I guess he never crossed my radar. But to be that wrong about two things in a row, wow. Did someone call in and let him know the actual score?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels View Post
    Did someone call in and let him know the actual score?
    I wasn't able to listen to the whole thing so don't know. I'm guessing that anyone who calls in, disagrees with him, and sounds half intelligent, might not get on the air. However, LA called him once several years ago and laid in to him pretty well and told him he needs to grow up.

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    The Texas Hill Country has become a cycling mecca, and ain't unusual to see packs of spandex clad riders willfully ignoring traffic piled up behind while taking up most of the lane.

    Exasperated drivers them find themelves making unsafe passes.

    Whatever the technical legalities may be, it just doesn't make a good impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpshin View Post
    The Texas Hill Country has become a cycling mecca, and ain't unusual to see packs of spandex clad riders willfully ignoring traffic piled up behind while taking up most of the lane.

    Exasperated drivers them find themelves making unsafe passes.

    Whatever the technical legalities may be, it just doesn't make a good impression.

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    They "find themselves making unsafe passes"? Are you suggesting that a mysterious force causes them to lurch into the other lane? Or that they've been drugged? Or hypnotized? Or that their cars have a mechanical issue like the unstoppable Priuses or the suddenly accelerating Audis?

    Or perhaps instead these drivers maintain control of their vehicles and consciously decide to pass even though they know, or ought to know, that they haven't got sufficient room to pass safely, in violation of all common sense and the laws of Texas?

    You are correct that it doesn't make a good impression. These yahoos make all motorists look bad. They really ought to follow the strict letter of the law so as to earn the respect of other road users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    They "find themselves making unsafe passes"? Are you suggesting that a mysterious force causes them to lurch into the other lane? Or that they've been drugged? Or hypnotized? Or that their cars have a mechanical issue like the unstoppable Priuses or the suddenly accelerating Audis?
    Nothing of the sort, of course. I AM going to suggest that you find such shallow and obvious sarcasm to be "clever".

    I am going to further suggest that you yourself find nothing objectional in the spectacle of packs of cyclists holding lines of traffic to speeds below thirty miles per hour along stretches where the normal flow of traffic exceeds fifty.

    For my own part I find common sense and courtesy trump considerations of mere legality every time, and if one IS in such a pack, while not wishing them harm I confess little sympathy if they get run over.

    JMMV.
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    I just get a little tired of the assertion that drivers are forced to pass unsafely as if the presence of cyclists absolves them of the responsibility to drive safely. Nothing forces them but their own impatience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpshin View Post
    ...I confess little sympathy if they get run over.
    Strange world we live in.
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    Never heard of him. Who is he and why should I care about him or anything he says?

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    I just get a little tired of the assertion that drivers are forced to pass unsafely as if the presence of cyclists absolves them of the responsibility to drive safely. Nothing forces them but their own impatience.
    Hard to put absolutes on constantly variable situations, but the ones I am referring to are egregious. Sort of an implied "dammit you WILL drive twenty or thirty miles below the limit because we can legally do this". Often times too one will come upon them just over a rise or around a bend.

    Ain't new to these situations, for ten years and 250,000 miles my only transportation was my motorcycle. Really, compared to getting maimed or killed, moral considerations or legality are pretty much irrelevant.

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    Strange world we live in.
    Not so strange maybe when one includes the whole quote instead of cherry-picking.

    If one willfully creates an avoidable situation where one is likely to get hit, along with the awful consequences thereof, most folks would find that one bears much of the responsibility. I do.

    YMMV,
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    I'm more concerned about cyclist-hating cyclists, but even that isn't much of a concern

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Never heard of him. Who is he and why should I care about him or anything he says?
    Because he's arguing you should be forced to ride on the sidewalk.

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    I agree that legalities aside, packs of cyclists blocking streets, with even 40mph speed limits and up, is a way to encourage non cyclists to to become anti cyclist. Since we are in the minority it also means that it isn't in the cycling communities interest (if you buy into my first statement). I even see this here in Florida on streets with bike lanes which just drives me nuts. As a commuter one of my strongest desires is to have MORE bike lanes. I fear that large groups of cyclists ignoring those lanes will be used as an argument to not build any new ones.

    Having said all that. I do believe bikes belong on the road and not the sidewalk. I do believe their are times, often involving right turn lanes, when taking the lane for 40-60 feet at an intersection is the best way to stay safe, and having been hit once (while obeying traffic laws) I feel empathy for anyone that gets hit regardless of fault, which to me is a different issue all together.

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    I like women from Texas...they are fun. I have no opinion about the rest of the this thread.
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    Agrees mostly with sharpshin.

    The other weekend I was stuck behind a queue of cars due to s amll group of cyclists who decided to take the entire lane. Idk if that's legal or not in the UK and while I don't suggest they get run over nor do I suggest a mysterious force is making drivers over take them dangerously, it was quite annoying to see fellow cyclists causing problems for other road users.

    If I were a single cyclist riding in the middle of the lane for NO OTHER REASON than I am legally allowed to and thus blocking a bunch of other road users, am I doing something wrong, officer?
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    If it wasn't for cycling clubs lobbying the feds over a century ago for paved roads, these jerks wouldn't have roads to fight over to beg
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    I'm all for bikes being on the road. But I'm also for being sensible given the current attitudes regarding cyclists. When I commuted to work, I'd pull off to the side in a driveway on a particular stretch of road that was a lot of up and down hills, and was a major single-lane artery connecting two main road a few miles apart when too many cars (and school buses) stacked up behind me.

    If I expect others to be courteous to me, I will be courteous to them. This is a major moral rule many cyclists forget. Too many are "screw you car guy I'm allowed to be here so I'm just going to make your drive miserable, deal with it."

    When it's a group of cyclists though, well, I know it's a little harder for them to all pull off and stop to let a string of cars go past. It's a tough situation because you don't necessarily want to flatten into a single file line on the side because then the passing cars might pass too close - BUT, at least they'll be passing you safely for them and more safely for you than if they had to swerve out into an oncoming lane and *** it to get past you.

    Solution: here in Houston, 99% of the group rides are done in the evening/night. They start anywhere from 7:30pm to 9pm. The city streets are almost empty, even the surrounding areas are much less trafficked. I mean, let's be serious - if your group is going to go for a ride at 4pm, you're going to run into rush hour traffic and you're just asking for trouble.

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