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RubeRad 11-14-13 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TrackSmart (Post 16238395)

"Endurance Road Bikes" -- I only discovered that these exist earlier this afternoon! Yes, I am out of touch with modern bikes. They look like full-blown race machines, but with room for wider tires and with hidden fender eyelets. Would it look absolutely ridiculous to put fenders on such a beast so I could ride it every day - and commute on it? Or would it be like pulling a plow with a race horse?

The Volagi Viaje is an "endurance" bike, and it looks gorgeous. It's my N+1, maybe 5-10 years down the line (when they start to enter the used market?). Right now, the cheapest option for a brand-new complete bike from their online 'builder' is $2540. But maybe you could get creative, find a frame for less than $1595 list, and cobble together a build, and assemble it yourself?

And yes, I think putting fenders on such a creature would be a crime against beauty. But maybe if you had some fenders you could slap on in 5 min on rainy days?

TrackSmart 11-14-13 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 16247086)
The Volagi Viaje is an "endurance" bike, and it looks gorgeous. It's my N+1, maybe 5-10 years down the line (when they start to enter the used market?). Right now, the cheapest option for a brand-new complete bike from their online 'builder' is $2540. But maybe you could get creative, find a frame for less than $1595 list, and cobble together a build, and assemble it yourself?

And yes, I think putting fenders on such a creature would be a crime against beauty. But maybe if you had some fenders you could slap on in 5 min on rainy days?


I actually saw one of these at a local bike shop last weekend (the one that wasn't helpful) and took a photo of the price tag with my phone. They never showed me the bike (despite the fact that it was among the few in the shop that would fit wider tires - or narrow tires with fenders). I didn't know that it wasn't an ordinary road bike at the time. I didn't check the tire clearances and didn't see the hidden fender eyelets. I just noticed that it was a nice-looking carbon fiber bike (2012 model year) marked down from ~$2900 to $2100. Still above my price bracket, despite sitting in the shop for 2 years apparently...

Maybe it would be worth going over there to see if they are willing to bring it closer to my price range ($1800). Although it's hard for me to know what a "good deal" is, given that I don't know when component groups changed (10 to 11spd or new versions, etc). If you have greater insight, let me know.

Just pulled from my phone:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=350757

RubeRad 11-14-13 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TrackSmart (Post 16247228)
I actually saw one of these at a local bike shop last weekend (the one that wasn't helpful) and took a photo of the price tag with my phone. They never showed me the bike (despite the fact that it was among the few in the shop that would fit wider tires - or narrow tires with fenders). I didn't know that it wasn't an ordinary road bike at the time. I didn't check the tire clearances and didn't see the hidden fender eyelets. I just noticed that it was a nice-looking carbon fiber bike (2012 model year) marked down from ~$2900 to $2100. Still above my price bracket, despite sitting in the shop for 2 years apparently...

Maybe it would be worth going over there to see if they are willing to bring it closer to my price range ($1800). Although it's hard for me to know what a "good deal" is, given that I don't know when component groups changed (10 to 11spd or new versions, etc). If you have greater insight, let me know.

Just pulled from my phone:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=350757

Ah, that's the Liscio, their first model which was indeed carbon. I'm talking about the more recently-introduced Viaje, which looks almost identical and is steel. And cheaper.

TrackSmart 11-14-13 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 16247733)
Ah, that's the Liscio, their first model which was indeed carbon. I'm talking about the more recently-introduced Viaje, which looks almost identical and is steel. And cheaper.

I see - you mean this one: http://volagi.com/bikes/viaje-xl-frame-module
That is a very different bike!

RubeRad 11-14-13 11:02 PM

Yes, they launched the Viaje with the help of a kickstarter; there's supposed to be also a SL model made with lighter Columbus tubing, but it seems on the Volagi site they are only selling the 4130 CroMo XL. If you started shopping during the kickstarter, you could have gotten a complete XL bike for $1900, or an SL frame for $900, you would have had no problem building it out for the remaining $900.

unionmade 11-15-13 05:33 AM

I've got a 2010 Jamis Sputnik, which has a Reynolds 631 frame similar to the Quest (but I've got a steel fork). It's light, responsive, and a hell of a lot of fun to ride to work every day. A buddy has a Quest, he's very happy with it.

You should also look at the Breezer Venturi. They claim it's "high tech" steel with a classic look. Might be marketing bs, but it is a sweet looking ride.

TrackSmart 11-15-13 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by unionmade (Post 16248480)
I've got a 2010 Jamis Sputnik, which has a Reynolds 631 frame similar to the Quest (but I've got a steel fork). It's light, responsive, and a hell of a lot of fun to ride to work every day. A buddy has a Quest, he's very happy with it.

You should also look at the Breezer Venturi. They claim it's "high tech" steel with a classic look. Might be marketing bs, but it is a sweet looking ride.

Thanks! The Breezer Venturi is a very nice looking frameset. The complete bike is definitely out of my price range (it comes with ultegra running gear), but $700 for frame and matching fork would not be unreasonable. That's a cheaper and (in my opinion) nicer looking option than the Gunnar framesets. No idea on how they compare in materials quality, ride quality, geometry, etc. That will require some homework.

Also, it looks like it is in the skinny-tires-only, no-fender-eyelets category. At least based on photos of the complete bike. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I am leaning more towards separate bikes for separate duties at this point, so that might not be an issue. Use the current commuter bike for foul weather and when I need to haul more than the bare essentials. Use the go-fast bike for good weather and when not carrying much into work.

[As before, keep the bike suggestions coming. I'll be looking for some off-season deals. Thanks!]

WestMass 11-15-13 10:24 AM

my friend has the venturi. DEFINITELY no room for fenders.

jrickards 11-15-13 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TrackSmart (Post 16240640)
And you guys have rightfully pointed out the two-faced nature of what I want in a bike.

It would seem that you're a bit like me in that I don't have a lot of money to spend on bikes (or don't want to spend much) and therefore, I wanted to purchase a bike that would meet all needs and be *perfect* for all needs. What you need to do is to focus on what you want to do in terms of types of biking, what you currently have in bikes that meet some of those needs and then buy a bike to fit the gap.

Last year, I purchased a KHS Tempe 29er because it had knobby tires (great for riding out to and around the dirt roads at camp), 700c wheels for better rolling with smoother, narrower tires (ended up getting 700cX35 tires) that would be great for metric centuries and touring and front forks that locked out and with a rack, the bike would be great for commuting. So therefore, I had purchased a bike for (1) dirt road MTB use, (2) for centuries and touring and (3) for commuting. However, in the year that I have had it, I realized that although I could do all with it, I had an old (late '80s) Bianchi road bike which was better for centuries and an old (2002) Norco Bigfoot MTB bike that is great for riding at camp, so my KHS became a heavy commuter. When I received a money gift from my mum, I evaluated my bikes and decided that (1) the Bianchi would be used for centuries, fast fun rides and light commuting (i.e., everything I needed for work was already there) (2) the Norco would be given to my son, (3) the KHS would be converted back to an MTB for dirt use and (4) I would purchase a touring bike (Kona Sutra) for commuting, shopping and touring and, if I decided to go for it, randonneuring.

This evaluation helped me select a great bike and enables me to enjoy the bikes for the purposes I have them and if/when I need to replace one, I know what it was purposed for and that will help me select a replacement.

I am considering a winter bike but that will be for next winter and again, the selection will be based on specific needs.

Hope this helps!

jerseyJim 11-15-13 11:20 AM

I am going to try to convince you that you need two bikes. I think if you try to find a compromise you are going to end up with a bike that is not really any good for either purpose.

If I were you I would buy the Mr Pink.

It is going to be orders of magnitude nicer than what you ride now and suits your primary commuting need. You will be very happy with this bike for the year or two it takes you to save up for the sportier bike you desire.

TrackSmart 11-15-13 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WestMass (Post 16249148)
my friend has the venturi. DEFINITELY no room for fenders.

Thanks! Any word on frame weight on the Venturi? Frame weight was the disappointing part of the All City Mr Pink. Nearly 4.6 lbs plus a 2.3 lbs fork. About the same weight as most touring frames. I'm sure it's a great all-rounder, but not the lightweight steel "go fast" bike that they advertise it to be.

TrackSmart 11-15-13 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jrickards (Post 16249207)
It would seem that you're a bit like me in that I don't have a lot of money to spend on bikes (or don't want to spend much) and therefore, I wanted to purchase a bike that would meet all needs and be *perfect* for all needs. What you need to do is to focus on what you want to do in terms of types of biking, what you currently have in bikes that meet some of those needs and then buy a bike to fit the gap.

Last year, I purchased a KHS Tempe 29er because it had knobby tires (great for riding out to and around the dirt roads at camp), 700c wheels for better rolling with smoother, narrower tires (ended up getting 700cX35 tires) that would be great for metric centuries and touring and front forks that locked out and with a rack, the bike would be great for commuting. So therefore, I had purchased a bike for (1) dirt road MTB use, (2) for centuries and touring and (3) for commuting. However, in the year that I have had it, I realized that although I could do all with it, I had an old (late '80s) Bianchi road bike which was better for centuries and an old (2002) Norco Bigfoot MTB bike that is great for riding at camp, so my KHS became a heavy commuter. When I received a money gift from my mum, I evaluated my bikes and decided that (1) the Bianchi would be used for centuries, fast fun rides and light commuting (i.e., everything I needed for work was already there) (2) the Norco would be given to my son, (3) the KHS would be converted back to an MTB for dirt use and (4) I would purchase a touring bike (Kona Sutra) for commuting, shopping and touring and, if I decided to go for it, randonneuring.

This evaluation helped me select a great bike and enables me to enjoy the bikes for the purposes I have them and if/when I need to replace one, I know what it was purposed for and that will help me select a replacement.

I am considering a winter bike but that will be for next winter and again, the selection will be based on specific needs.

Hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by jerseyJim (Post 16249314)
I am going to try to convince you that you need two bikes. I think if you try to find a compromise you are going to end up with a bike that is not really any good for either purpose.

If I were you I would buy the Mr Pink.

It is going to be orders of magnitude nicer than what you ride now and suits your primary commuting need. You will be very happy with this bike for the year or two it takes you to save up for the sportier bike you desire.

Agreed with both of you! I'm moving to the "separate bikes for separate jobs" strategy. This thread has helped with that decision.

Regarding the Mr. Pink: It basically replicates my current commuter bike, but with modern 105 drivetrain. So it doesn't do anything different, which means I will skip it for now.

I think my next bike will be the "go fast" variety, since that's a bike that I don't have now. It can be used for nice days (no fenders) and for commuting when I don't need to carry anything into the office.

jrickards 11-15-13 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TrackSmart (Post 16249385)
I think my next bike will be the "go fast" variety, since that's a bike that I don't have now. It can be used for nice days (no fenders) and for commuting when I don't need to carry anything into the office.

The Crud Roadracer might be something to consider after the fact anyway as an add-on for times when you want to be out but want to avoid as much of the wet road issues as possible. It looks like they're easy to un/install so they wouldn't need to be a permanent fixture.

umazuki 11-15-13 01:02 PM

I don't think having a bike that weighs 2lb less is going to make it much faster. Easier to control, yes. Easier to shoulder and portage, yes. Go faster? I think you need to upgrade the engine :)

TrackSmart 11-15-13 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by umazuki (Post 16249647)
I don't think having a bike that weighs 2lb less is going to make it much faster. Easier to control, yes. Easier to shoulder and portage, yes. Go faster? I think you need to upgrade the engine :)

I agree with you 100%. Hopefully you saw the beginning of this thread where I say that I absolutely do not *need* a new bike for anything. It's about finally buying a bike for myself that is "nice", rather than one that is inexpensive and functional. A treat/reward/small pleasure for someone who goes to work everyday and works hard, at that.

There will be no competitive road racing involved. Just the joy of being on a bike that feels light, fast, and responsive and that has modern amenities (indexed shifting, STI levers, etc). Having a frame that is no sportier than the one I've got now takes away from the feeling of upgrading to something better, even if the rest of the components will obviously be an upgrade. I hope that makes sense. I'm not interested in being a weight-weenie and counting every gram!

Cyclotourist 11-19-13 11:46 PM

I just want to throw in a good word about All-City's other road bike, the Space Horse, that someone mentioned earlier on this thread. I own one and love it – it's my do-everything bike. It isn't quite as racy as the Mr. Pink but it's still a very quick and has the same old-school classy aesthetics. And it has braze-ons for just about every rack and gadget imaginable, can fit huge tires plus fenders, and has nice dropouts that would facilitate easy conversion to a fixed-gear/single speed if you ever wanted to do that.

It's an incredibly versatile bike. During the week I load up my saddlebag and commute to work. On the weekends I strip it down and go on long rides. And I just got back from a 4-day tour on it across the mountains of western North Carolina, where the bike performed like a charm under significant loads.

With your budget, you could make a few upgrades from the stock build in terms of wheels/tires/etc. to optimize for speed. I swapped out the 35c tires for skinnier slicks and had the shop install a generator hub and a good headlight. Anyway, if you liked the look and feel of the Mr. Pink, you might want to check out the Space Horse.

Rhodabike 11-20-13 06:15 AM

How about the Cannondale CaadX (105 version)? It's a 'cross bike, but with road tires would easily be light enough for road use. And it has rack and fender eyelets.

big chainring 11-20-13 06:39 AM

Suggestions for my first “really nice bike”? $1800 budget
 
Just looked at a Raleigh RX 2.0 at Skunk River Cycles in Ames IA. Metallic orange. Looks and rides awesome. Its a cyclo-cross bike. Great all round bike. I like fat tires for a smooth shock absorbing ride. Worth a look.

Null66 11-20-13 08:03 AM

My SO has a Specialized Dolche compact 10 with a touring cassette.
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...e-comp-compact

Fast, Light, all day comfortable.
She has a rack mounted.
Fenders might be a challenge.

Phil_gretz 11-20-13 08:51 AM

What about the Raleigh Record Ace? Seems to match many of your desirements.

hueyhoolihan 11-20-13 03:33 PM

of the ones you mention i would vote for the Fuji, no question.

on second thought, maybe the Trek...

dynaryder 11-20-13 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz (Post 16261982)
What about the Raleigh Record Ace? Seems to match many of your desirements.

I actually have to say they're kinda crap. Test rode one at REI. Heavy;yes,I know it's steel,but it's still heavy for a steel road bike. No rack or fender mounts,and not much room to go beyond 25's. Not sure what Raleigh was going for. They're too heavy for competition,don't have mounts or clearance for commuter equipment,and the styling is wonky with modern brifters/cranks on a classic frame. Friend of mine has a Bianchi Vigorelli,which is a much nicer bike,and has rack/fender mounts.

agent pombero 11-20-13 08:28 PM

Surly Straggler.

fietsbob 11-20-13 11:31 PM

$1800. should get you a nice bike .. no clue what are sold where you live.
I cannot prescribe your needs over the web, as I dont know anything about where you live .


other than that its all about what did you buy fan touts.


My '04 Koga WTR [R is for Rohloff], was only about that , used..

Bike friday, touring or roadie., or a folding bike. one of the nicest folding bike.

another Folder?

How about a Brompton with Titanium parts .. Maybe one of UK Kinetic's 8 speed hub retrofits?


wide open world market , to be considered . tires of many sizes and widths Pick 2.

cwar 11-20-13 11:57 PM

Suggestions for my first “really nice bike”? $1800 budget
 
I haven't read this entire thread, but thought I would mention the cannondale synapse and orbea avant.


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