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    Vermont brand?

    I've managed to find some German reviews that as near as google translate can tell me, are positive, and the specs look good.
    Anyone noticed these?

    http://amzn.com/B00A39OGDU

    $500 for decent low end hardware, fenders, rack, lights and a dynamo hub seems like a
    pretty reasonable deal. The lights and dynamo peg it as euro and are not normal, especially at the price, though I'm expecting it to be
    built in China like any other cheap bike.

    It's at the top of my budget for a beater/town/shopping bike, and it already has half the stuff I'd
    add to a $300-$400 one bought locally (or online).

    Plus it's different, which is, well, a plus.

    Thoughts?
    I'm looking to buy rather than build this time, since the latter always gets out of hand.

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    The description looked to be French to me.

    I didn't see anything about the generator, but I'm thinking sidewall at that price point. Quality and performance vary greatly with these (from what I understand), so you may be "upgrading" that pretty quick. Not a fan of suspension forks in general for commuting, but this one only has 30mm of travel, so may as well call it a rigid The fenders won't be of real use (too short)*.

    *It escapes me why any brand would spec less than full coverage fenders when putting them on the bike. Either supply full coverage or none at all. /rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no1mad View Post
    The description looked to be French to me.

    I didn't see anything about the generator, but I'm thinking sidewall at that price point. Quality and performance vary greatly with these (from what I understand), so you may be "upgrading" that pretty quick. Not a fan of suspension forks in general for commuting, but this one only has 30mm of travel, so may as well call it a rigid The fenders won't be of real use (too short)*.

    *It escapes me why any brand would spec less than full coverage fenders when putting them on the bike. Either supply full coverage or none at all. /rant.
    I agree on the fenders, they aren't much shorter if any than the rest of them I see around though.
    Worth mentioning I live on the central coast, they are more for dust than rain.
    But I agree.

    I'm 90% sure it's a Shimano dynomo front hub on it.
    I don't think I'd go out of my way, and $, to add one but it sure would be neat to have.


    Edit: Had wife translate.
    Un équipement complet vient parfaire ce vélo de trekking, avec la dynamo Shimano, un éclairage halogène et LED
    Shimano dynamo and LED lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_walker View Post

    I'm 90% sure it's a Shimano dynomo front hub on it.
    Raise that to 99.9% or higher. If you link the photo of the front end, and enlarge the hub you can plainly see it's a Shimano generator hub (note the reference to CE).

    Though little of specs are given, blowing up the photos, it appears to be a decent value compared to what's offered in USA bike shops. OTOH, I'm definitely not afan of low end suspension forks, and would feel much better about this bike if they used a reliable standard fork, and used the savings to either drop the price, or upgrade elsewhere.
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    I agree about the fork as well, but with so little travel, how bad can it be?
    I can't imagine one couldn't make it rigid with a little fiddling.

    Anything else jump out as not good to anyone?


    Seems to be them. http://www.vermont-bikes.de/home/


    And further details, along with some fairly amusing translated reviews.
    http://translate.google.com/translat...6channel%3Drcs
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    It reminds me of a lot of bikes I saw on a trip to Sweden recently. There was a hardware store there that wheels in both 26" and 700c sizes that had Shimano dynamo hubs in stock for about $80. I was flabbergasted.

    They were also inexplicably named after places in the USA, which I thought was hilarious given the lengths you'd have to go through to actually get bikes like them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs View Post
    It reminds me of a lot of bikes I saw on a trip to Sweden recently. There was a hardware store there that wheels in both 26" and 700c sizes that had Shimano dynamo hubs in stock for about $80. I was flabbergasted.

    They were also inexplicably named after places in the USA, which I thought was hilarious given the lengths you'd have to go through to actually get bikes like them here.
    I think it's an interesting demonstration of the difference in cycling use in Europe versus the US. Utility use is so common there that it's a no-brainer to have an airpump and a dyno with lights on a cheap basic bike right
    out of the gate.
    I'm attracted to the utility aspect myself, it looks like the bike I want to have when I'm done for running around town but can still ride five miles down the road to the little coffee-shop town on weekends.

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    as a person who lived in Germany for a while, it looks like common low-end German city bike.

    shimano Tourney is fine and once it's adjusted, it's set for life

    pull the trigger as you won't find a better deal on a bike in the US.

    it's just a cheaper version of this which is considered to be an excellent value over here:

    http://www.cube.eu/en/bikes/tour/tow...rey-white-men/

    EDIT:

    also, i don't think you'll get much support for that type of bike on BF commuting because people (except those that have lived/traveled extensively abroad) will have any appreciation for them (as evidenced by the first few posts who suggested a sidewall generator while dumping on the bike ... ... goes to show whose opinion one should trust). same with the suspension ... there are literally millions of bikes sold with the same low-end suspension in the EU every year and they're fine ... they're actually quite nice for urban riding over here and won't be bad as some here suggest ... again because they have no experience with urban suspension fork (nor with dynamos or kickstands which are super useful in general). here, you'll get a response from people commuting on CX and race bikes ... which isn't super useful for your questions.

    but feel free to ask me anything about those style of bikes and to take any non-European opinion with a grain of salt as they have no frame of reference.
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    As said by Acidfast7, it's your typical European trekking bike (around town and short trips), but I wouldn't consider it low-end (I've seen much worse specs on bikes costing close to the price of this one).

    Anyway, a descent bike for someone starting out and for light commuting around town. I doubt any of the component would ever cause any major problems if they're properly adjusted and maintained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs View Post
    It reminds me of a lot of bikes I saw on a trip to Sweden recently. There was a hardware store there that wheels in both 26" and 700c sizes that had Shimano dynamo hubs in stock for about $80. I was flabbergasted.

    They were also inexplicably named after places in the USA, which I thought was hilarious given the lengths you'd have to go through to actually get bikes like them here.
    France has a brand of bike called "Oregon" and Switzerland has one called "California". They're basic, but good commuter bikes, which come with generators, lights, and fenders as stock items.

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    Pretty funny, I guess maybe the names are exotic over there? Marketing, a rose by any other name....


    I've got to make myself go visit some LBS's this weekend before I decide anything.
    Zee Vermont seems to be about what I'm looking for all in one shot for the same money, but with a dynamo and lights.
    I'm nervous about sizing when buying site un-seen/ridden. Still pretty new at this.

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    yea and the Music Biz uses a lot of american names like Kentucky , Savannah and Blue Ridge

    on Asia sourced stuff.

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    Maybe this specific brand has nothing to do with the state Vermont!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Vermont

    ...although I highly doubt it with a population of 53 in 2006!

    Here's some more info on the brand: http://www.vermont-bikes.de


    Framework System: trekking frame Material type: Aluminium Material: 7005 Aluminium further specifications: diamond frame Fork: Type: Zoom suspension fork 30mm travel
    Circuit: Gear type: derailleur Number of gears: 21 Brand: Shimano Type: Alivio Gear: Brand: Shimano Type: ST-EF 50
    Chainset: Brand: Cyclone Type: AL-10 Translation sheet 1: 28 teeth chainring 2: 38 chainring 3: 48 Bottom bracket: Brand: Tuna Type: Jive S, Sealed type: Compact
    Chain: Brand: KMC type: Z51 Sprocket: Brand: Shimano Type: Tourney 7 speed freewheel translation: 14 teeth
    Front brakes: Brand: ProMax Type: Al TX 115 System: V-Brake Rear brakes: Brand: ProMax Type: Al TX 115 System: V-Brake
    Brake levers: Brand: Shimano Type: ST-EF 50 Handlebar: Brand: Zoom Type: Trekking Comfort Type: Riser Bar Material: Aluminum
    Stem: Brand: Zoom Type: Cone Material: aluminum angle adjustable: yes Handles: Men's Ergo 84B
    Saddle: Selle Royal Rio Comfort Saddle pin: System: patented supports Diameter: 27.2 mm Type: Zoom Material: Aluminum
    Front hub: Brand: Shimano Type: 3N20 hub dynamo: yes Rear hub: Brand: Joytech Type: KT alloy sealed
    Rims: Brand: X-Pert Type: X3 Material: aluminum Model: V-shaped hollow chamber Size: 28 inches Spokes: 36
    Front tires: Brand: Kenda Type: Trekking tour: 28 inches Tire width: 40 mm Rear tire: Brand: Kenda Type: Trekking tour: 28 inches Tire width: 40 mm
    Pedals: Xerama platform Porter: Material: Hi-Ten
    Stand: System: central stand Fenders: Material: Plastic
    Dynamo: Type: hub dynamo Brand: Shimano Type: DH-3N20DS Spotlight: Brand: Basta System: Halogen Type: ISI Additional features: with switch Additional features: with reflector
    Rear light: Brand: Basta LED: Yes Type: X-Ray Steady Additional features: light Bell: yes
    Weight: 17.8 kg (approx.) Front derailleur: Type: 3 Brand: Shimano Type: Tourney
    Air pump: yes Purpose: Leisure time
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    Purpose: Leisure time
    Do I get more of it if I buy this one somehow?

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    My favorite feature from the translated specs: Maintenance free internal storage of tuna.

    Shimano hub dynamo sowiei a maintenance free internal storage of tuna complete the picture.

    If they're Japanese components, it's not a gruppo. It's a gurūpu.

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    One of the retailers I linked above, the review translations were a riot.
    Something like "no witchcraft was required in assembly"

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