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    Quote Originally Posted by achoo View Post
    Filtering forward might be illegal in your jurisdiction. It's also really dangerous to filter forward to the right of a line of cars where many of those cars are likely to make a right turn - you have a really good chance of being right-hooked if you don't make it all the way to the front before traffic starts to move.

    It's also a big F.U. to any drivers annoyed by your presence.
    Not only is filtering "permissible" where I live, It's encouraged! While we have a growing number of bike lanes around Auckland, we also have many roads that simply do not have room for a dedicated bike lane, but, where the transport agency has seen fit to alocate and paint full width bike boxes at stop lights. Cyclists are encouraged to filter forward when safe to do so and start from the box at the front of the line. Most of the motorists "get it" that it's better to have the bikes together at the front than scattered throughout the traffic. It's easier to pass 4 cyclists at once, even if two abreast, than it is to pass 4 individual cyclists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
    Not only is filtering "permissible" where I live, It's encouraged!
    Standard procedure here too. If an accident occurs and there is no marked bike lane, blame will most likely be shared between the two parties.

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    It's great that OP was able to recognize the driver the second time he encountered him. I probably wouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    If a cyclist can filter past a car then by definition the lane was not too narrow.
    By definition, a lane is too narrow to safely share if that lane is less than 14 feet wide. Filtering has nothing to do with the safe passing/sharing definition since it is not done at speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    By definition, a lane is too narrow to safely share if that lane is less than 14 feet wide.

    Filtering by pedal cyclists is not illegal in many states. And in OR other relevant statutes are not enforced for pedal cyclists due to the legal right of cyclists to share lanes.


    Filtering has nothing to do with the safe passing/sharing definition since it is not done at speed.
    Nonsense. I've been filtering at speed for decades.
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    Hopefully the local media publicizes the case. That is what will have an impact on the rest of the drivers on the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    Nonsense. I've been filtering at speed for decades.
    You filter at 20 mph?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    By definition, a lane is too narrow to safely share if that lane is less than 14 feet wide.
    Please cite the source that defines this.

    At least here in NY, there is no statute defining what is and is not sharable. In actual practice, my city has sharrows (which define lane sharing) on lanes as narrow as 11 feet.

    Besides, the OP is in an different country--Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsl View Post
    Please cite the source that defines this.

    At least here in NY, there is no statute defining what is and is not sharable. In actual practice, my city has sharrows (which define lane sharing) on lanes as narrow as 11 feet.

    Besides, the OP is in an different country--Canada.
    It primarily comes from design criteria in American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) standards. It shows up in city and state bike plans or other publications. The diagrams have been posted in BFs and the math that adds up to a safe shared lane has been discussed in BFs.

    Sharrows are designed to be used in lanes too narrow to share. I suspect that NY is misusing sharrows.

    I was responding to the guy in PDX, but the physical parameters still apply in Canada, unless physics and math are different up there.

    I do agree that it would be nice if the 14 feet standard got specified in actual law rather than just it letting hang by case law and AASHTO.

    Did you know there is a minimum recommended standard for MUP width as well? 12 feet wide - how many NY MUPs are at least 12 feet wide?

    AASHTO is often used in law suites when cities and states do not meet their standards. Cities and states ignore them at significant risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    You filter at 20 mph?
    15+ mph. Picture a 3-4 lane one way rush hour parking lot with 6-10 foot gap between vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    15+ mph. Picture a 3-4 lane one way rush hour parking lot with 6-10 foot gap between vehicles.
    In my mind that is not filtering. I always considered filtering as splitting a 3 feet or less gap.
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    If this driver is affluent.
    He will get a different sort of justice.
    He will have a lawyer-and he'll claim you were harassing him-scared him etc
    Momma will back him
    On the second episode-and witnesses-other than momma?
    Yeah he will get off the hook-or plead to something minor.
    If he isn't affluent-you will get justice.

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    As an example of the 14 feet safe shared lane is the Florida Department of Transportation's Manual of Uniform Minimum Standards.

    Discussed on page 19:

    http://www.floridabicycle.org/resour...BLEG072007.pdf

    Since the recommended minimum clearance for
    passing a bicyclist (at moderate speed) is 3 feet
    (Florida Driver's Handbook) and the total width of
    larger motor vehicles (with extending mirrors) is
    commonly 8 feet or more, a lane with less than 14
    feet of usable width is usually too narrow for motor
    traffic to pass. Consequently, where restricted conditions
    prevent inclusion of bicycle lanes or paved
    shoulders on laned urban roadways, the Florida
    Department of Transportation's Manual of Uniform
    Minimum Standards recommends an outside lane
    width of 14 feet as the "minimum width that will
    allow passenger cars to safely pass bicyclists within
    a single lane," i.e., without the need for passing
    motorists to use part of the next lane ("Curb Lanes,"
    see chapter 9 at http://www.dot.state.fl.us/rddesign/...enbook/FGB.htm).
    Sorry, but I do not have more time to look up more examples. I have seen Canadians also claim the 14 feet as the needed width for safe shared passing.
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    A person must have a seriously wide ass to need a 14' lane in order to filter through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowJob View Post
    A person must have a seriously wide ass to need a 14' lane in order to filter through.
    The 14 feet calculation is not for filtering, it is the lane width needed for a motorist to safely pass a cyclist at SPEED (think 25 - 45 mph) while in the same lane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blakcloud View Post
    Here is the semi-long version of what happened. On Wednesday morning I was riding in the sharrow lane. A sharrow lane is a shared lane during rush hour where a cyclist is allowed to take the lane instead of being at the right side of the lane. This is legal and safest part of the lane and what it is designed for. A driver who was behind me didn't like that I was blocking him so he drove around me and then cut me off, so that I had to brake in order not to hit him from behind. This would be considered careless driving and is a charge under the Highway Traffic Act.

    A cyclist behind me, came up to me and said he thought it was too close for comfort. At the next set of lights I passed the driver and again was in the sharrow lane. The driver drove up beside me and then veered into me trying to hit me. I had to move out of the way, otherwise I would have gotten hit. Then he tried it again, missing me by inches. The same cyclist witnessed this again. The driver stopped in front of me and I stopped and was phoning 911. He saw this and took off. I got his plate number or so I thought.

    911 told me to go to the nearest police station and report it. The witness said he would be glad to help in any way. Once at the police station I told them what happened and they looked up the plate number which I got wrong. More about this later. They told me they couldn't start fishing for plate numbers but if I ever saw him again, take a photo of the plate and bring it back to them and they would charge him with Dangerous Driving (criminal offence).

    Two days later I was riding to work, in another part of the city and I see the same driver pass me going the opposite direction. I couldn't believe my luck. In a city of three million I never thought I would see him again. I rode up to the vehicle and took a photo of his license plate from the rear. Then I went to the front and took a photo of the SUV.

    The driver saw me do this and got out of his car and went berserk. He grabbed me and wouldn't let go. With his other hand he kept trying to grab my iPhone He did eventually grab the phone and ripped the case off but I got the phone back. He then tried to grab my bike to throw it but it weighs 37 pounds and he would have to had to let go of me to do this. He wrecked the rear fender. He kept screaming at me and asking why I took his photo.

    He then pushed me across a lane of traffic but never let go of me. He told me he was going to beat the crap out of me. I said to him you're going to beat me up in front of all these witnesses? He thought about this and decided to let me go. But just before he let go of me, he asked again why I took his photo and I told him because he was the one that I had an altercation with two days earlier. His face was blank, like he didn't know what happened. He then got back to his vehicle and his mother rolled down the window and told me I shouldn't take photos of him. He drove off I called the police.

    The police came took my a video statement and my photos as evidence. When I originally gave the plate number of the vehicle to the police I mixed up one letter. I said it was an E when it was F. He had this license plate holder that covered the bottom of the plate, but the other six were correct.

    Three hours later the driver was arrested and charged with Dangerous Driving, Mischief x 2, and Assault.

    So I hope that answers most of your questions. It is his first offence so I don't have any hope he will serve jail time and it will be plea bargained down. I will sue him for my wrecked phone case and fender. I already have a lawyer.

    To be honest I was scared. He was bigger than me and at least twice as strong, plus he was enraged. Hopefully he will learn from this.

    We still have a great city to cycle in though our mayor is a bit of an embarrassment.
    I was really serious about you suing him for pain and suffering (I was kidding about taking him to a TV judge though). It's strange that you got a lawyer just for your phone case and the fender. Those won't add up more than $3,000 or whatever statutory maximum in your state. If you have already hired a lawyer, you might as well make it worth you and the lawyer's time to sue for more just to teach this scum a lesson. If you don't care about the money, donate it to a charity. You did nothing wrong even when you took a picture of his vehicle and his plates. The vehicle was on public property. You have every right that a paparazzi would have if he was taking a pic of a celebrity.

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    blakcloud, please keep us posted. I'm sorry this happened, but I'm glad things progressed towards justice.
    You don't read my signature anyway, do you?

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    he can be ticketed for that plate holder too!

    assault in Massachusetts does not have to include contact, it can be verbal that causes fear, an actual threat is something completely different. if you are touched, that's battery. the two together is assault and battery. just thought I'd throw that out there, I wasn't aware until I met with my local police to discuss how my boss flipped his lid one day
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