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the sci guy 11-24-13 12:53 PM

i rode relatively quickly when i commuted for 2 reasons:

1) time
2) to at least try to keep up a decent speed for the traffic behind me

Telly 11-24-13 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Medic Zero (Post 16273120)
Generally girls and women are faster than me. And I don't mind following them! ;) :thumb:

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caloso 11-24-13 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by john gault (Post 16273454)
My bike is nothing like a road bike; I'm 100% commuter, complete with panniers. However, my riding style is more like a racer, so yeah, I get into the racing mindset.

On the flip side, I would propose that if one is going to commute via bike, then it would be advantageous to be a fast rider. I've been commuting for over 25 years, at one point it was a 50-mile roundtrip. If it were not for speed my commutes would take so much longer. If all you ever do are commutes less than 10 miles, then I guess it doesn't matter, but my mileage is further and I don't want to spend the time, so I go fast -- always.

Another advantage of the racing mindset is cardio fitness. It's not enough to just do aerobic, your cardio needs a little anaerobic workout.

I'm pushing 50 and I got to keep that system going, just like lew hollander http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUyMYHG_Vcg

What does "the racing mindset" mean to you?

FBinNY 11-24-13 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Medic Zero (Post 16273120)
Generally girls and women are faster than me. And I don't mind following them! ;) :thumb:

Yes, this is often the best reason to develop speed and make it a race. The object isn't to win, but to close a gap come in a close second. (which is winning in it's own right).

Fact is that all my cycling life, I've been a rabbit dog. I can't resist chasing down and catching riders I see in the distance. It isn't about winning, it's about catching up, meeting people and maybe enjoying good conversations for a while.

spare_wheel 11-24-13 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzman (Post 16272741)
This is my 43rd year of commuting to jobs by bicycle. Admittedly, I take note of when I am passed (seldom) and who I pass. But the thought of putting effort into the "game" of so doing seems exhausting.

it's a joke, buzzman.

spare_wheel 11-24-13 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by caloso (Post 16274337)
What does "the racing mindset" mean to you?

tolerance for pain.
willingness to buy new bikes and bike parts.
willingness to leave marks on pavement or grind dirt into your flesh.
a tolerance for heated arguments about your sport/hobby with your better half.
being able to hang out and drink beer with people that you wanted to pound into the pavement a little while ago.

PS: the purpose of stating the obvious was to illustrate how passing another commuter on your way to work/home is *not* racing.

buzzman 11-24-13 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 16274652)
it's a joke, buzzman.

Thanks.

Guess the old adage is correct.


"It takes one to know one.";)

work4bike 11-25-13 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by caloso (Post 16274337)
What does "the racing mindset" mean to you?

For me, it's just keeping my pace at high level most the time (at least 18-20mph), which I know isn't any where near the racers, but I do have panniers and I'm a clydesdale. I also like to sprint a lot from lights, get up to at least 30 mph, but I got keep that stuff to a minimum if on a long ride.

I do like to compare myself to other cyclist (i.e., "race"). I never blow by them; I want to see if they are interested so I go slowly pass them and give them a nod. :thumb: And if I see them behind in my mirror I slow down some until the catch up and then we "race". Harmless fun and a good motivator. Although it sucks when I'm feeling in the dumps from previous exertions, then I just gotta throw in the towel.

jeffpoulin 11-25-13 11:38 AM

My "game" is simply getting to work and back safely. I'm not slow, but then again, I try to avoid risky maneuvers just to save a little time.

mstraus 11-25-13 12:36 PM

I don't think of it as a race, but I do typically set a pretty fast pace and will pass people (when safe) if they are slower then my pace. I have learned sometimes I will pass someone only to get passed back, either as they are faster climbers or a part where I tend to be slower. I have learned to try not to pass people in these areas where I think they may pass me back quickly. I prefer to challenge myself, such as improving my speed/time on on of the climbs on my route, and I do like to get to/from work quickly most days. Other days or parts of the ride I might decide to take it easy.

When I do get passed, I will sometimes try to see if I can hold pace with them for a bit (but not pass them). Its more of a challenge to see if I can hang.

The only times I am really annoyed being passed are 1) when its by someone with electronic assist, and they buzz uphill without breaking a sweat as I am working my tail off. 2) when someone passes me only to slow down below my pace right after passing me

ThermionicScott 11-25-13 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FBinNY (Post 16274376)
Fact is that all my cycling life, I've been a rabbit dog. I can't resist chasing down and catching riders I see in the distance. It isn't about winning, it's about catching up, meeting people and maybe enjoying good conversations for a while.

That seems to be my thing, too. Always trying to catch up to and ride with the people at the front of the group, unable to pace myself when riding alone (so I just ride at my limit.)

Rick@OCRR 11-25-13 01:57 PM

Yes, funny thing about "The Race" . . . When I see a cyclist that I'm closing on my first thought (usually) is, "This is not a race, no need to catch that guy (or girl)."

At the same time, another part of me must want to "race" a bit, since I find myself speeding up a bit . . . and usually it's no problem closing and catching the other rider. Sometimes I try at conversation, but that's limited since I don't speak Spanish. Other times I just give it an "on your left" and keep going.

My best feeling was when one young guy on a mountain bike (who I passed but who subsequently caught me at a light) accused me having electric assist! Human powered buddy!

Rick / OCRR

spare_wheel 11-25-13 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffpoulin (Post 16276748)
My "game" is simply getting to work and back safely. I'm not slow, but then again, I try to avoid risky maneuvers just to save a little time.

I don't perform risky manouevers to save time either. I perform risky manouevers because they are fun.

caloso 11-25-13 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR (Post 16277195)
Yes, funny thing about "The Race" . . . When I see a cyclist that I'm closing on my first thought (usually) is, "This is not a race, no need to catch that guy (or girl)."

At the same time, another part of me must want to "race" a bit, since I find myself speeding up a bit . . . and usually it's no problem closing and catching the other rider. Sometimes I try at conversation, but that's limited since I don't speak Spanish. Other times I just give it an "on your left" and keep going.

My best feeling was when one young guy on a mountain bike (who I passed but who subsequently caught me at a light) accused me having electric assist! Human powered buddy!

Rick / OCRR

íPor la izquierda!

Rick@OCRR 11-25-13 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by caloso (Post 16277213)
íPor la izquierda!

Or really: que pasa a su izquierda

Rick / OCRR (with help from Google Translate)

tigerteeuwen 11-25-13 07:47 PM

When i first started riding to work i was sort of against the whole racing mentality, maybe it was because i was slow at first?

Then one day on the way to work a guy buzzed me, didn't even yell on your left, nothing. So i chased him down..... this guy ran every light and though it was probably stupid at the time i followed suite. Caught up with him, yelled on your left, and he let out a yell as i passed. I guess he was wearing headphones and i scared the crap out of him because he thought i was probably long gone. I shifted into overdrive after i passed him and put a good two blocks distance between us. :lol:

UnfilteredDregs 11-25-13 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by caloso (Post 16274337)
What does "the racing mindset" mean to you?


To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

Artkansas 11-25-13 09:48 PM

When I was young I played. But always winning got boring. Now I don't bother. :lol:

Medic Zero 11-25-13 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs (Post 16278281)
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

Nice! If this was one of those forums that had "rep" points, I would've given you some for that quote!

UnfilteredDregs 11-25-13 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Medic Zero (Post 16278526)
Nice! If this was one of those forums that had "rep" points, I would've given you some for that quote!


That movie is so full of great cheesiness...I love when he punches the camel!

caloso 11-25-13 11:27 PM

In my experience, the racing mindset is a set of questions:

How big is the field?
How many teammates do I have today?
Who does the course favor/who is riding well lately? Am I the lead out guy? The sprinter? Am I chasing breaks or sitting in?
What other teams are racing today?
Who is likely to force a break? Who can we not afford to let get into a break?
Who is likely to sit in and wait for a sprint?
What other teams can I work with?
How is the wind today? Where are the crosswind sections?
How are the hills? How are the descents? Are there corners or wooded sections where a break could get out of sight?
Where is the feed zone? Did I bring enough bottles?
Is there neutral service or do I need to put spare wheels in the pit/follow truck?
Did I bring the right wheels?
What does the last 1000m look like? Last 100? Is there a landmark I can use to judge it?
Did I use enough safety pins on my number?
Do I have enough time before the whistle to hit the portapotty one more time?

Strangely enough, I don't think I have ever asked myself any of these questions on the commute. Well, maybe the wind one.


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