Exchanging places -- important video for all urban cyclists
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Exchanging places -- important video for all urban cyclists
The video is self explanatory. Critically useful info for all road users, both cyclists and drivers.
Please watch, and if you agree with me about the message, please pass along to friends.
BTW- Possible technical help is coming, see here
Best wishes to all for a joyous holiday season, and a happy and healthy new year.
Please watch, and if you agree with me about the message, please pass along to friends.
BTW- Possible technical help is coming, see here
Best wishes to all for a joyous holiday season, and a happy and healthy new year.
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The more I mingle with large trucks like that! the more I realize how dangerous it is. Nowadays I never pass them closely unless there is an escape route.
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Thank you for that. A few weeks ago I did something stupid near a big truck. He honked at me to make a
point, and I'm grateful for that!
point, and I'm grateful for that!
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Thank you for the vid. Reminds me of scary moments in San Francisco (NOT Frisco) back in the 80's when I was even more unwise than I am now. I will keep this knowledge and pass it on.
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Very good video! Although I usually filter around cars at lights, when it comes to large trucks or buses, I stay behind them. I've read too many cycling-related obituaries due to large vehicles, especially involving right hand turns (or left turns in the UK and other countries that drive on the left). Truck and bus drivers are some of the safest drivers on the road, so for this happen as often as it does means it's truly a difficult situation for the driver and a dangerous one for the cyclist. Best to avoid it if possible.
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Even motorists don't get the problem, which is why you see signs like passing side and Suicide on the back left and right sides of the trailer. Or my favorite, "truck makes w-i-d-e right turns" over a graphic of a car crushed under the right trailer wheels.
I wish there were an effective way that everyone role play the changing places scenario. IMO understanding the nature of the hazards is the best way to stay safe. This is doubly important to me because I don't wear a helmet hoping it'll make up for my mistakes.
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Good video. Thanks for posting it.
Seeing the cyclists threading into the two feet between lorry and kerb made my skin crawl.
Seeing the cyclists threading into the two feet between lorry and kerb made my skin crawl.
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I like this video; I esp. like how few cyclists in London wear helmets.
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I used to commute westbound on Roosevelt road in Chicago, which was lots and lots of trucks. I had one driver actually stop at a red light to talk to me about blind spots. He taught me a lot in those three minutes about how little they can really see.
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Actually, this is a quite London-specific issue because the city refuses to ban large trucks during the working day like most European cities.
In fact, most European urban commuters never see a large truck like this ... London is very distinct ... so I would say that most of this information in the video is useless (i.e. doesn't apply in Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin, Stockholm ... etc ... as they ban trucks on the roads between 6am and at least 9pm). London doesn't want to wake people in the evening.
Also, most of the info is common sense in the video o_O
Note, sure how the laws are in the states. Also, I would classify London or the UK as European, if that matters to you guys.
Happy holidays.
In fact, most European urban commuters never see a large truck like this ... London is very distinct ... so I would say that most of this information in the video is useless (i.e. doesn't apply in Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin, Stockholm ... etc ... as they ban trucks on the roads between 6am and at least 9pm). London doesn't want to wake people in the evening.
Also, most of the info is common sense in the video o_O
Note, sure how the laws are in the states. Also, I would classify London or the UK as European, if that matters to you guys.
Happy holidays.
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so I would say that most of this information in the video is useless (i.e. doesn't apply in Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin, Stockholm ... etc ... as they ban trucks on the roads between 6am and at least 9pm). ....
Also, most of the info is common sense in the video o_O
Note, sure how the laws are in the states. Also, I would classify London or the UK as European, if that matters to you guys.
Also, most of the info is common sense in the video o_O
Note, sure how the laws are in the states. Also, I would classify London or the UK as European, if that matters to you guys.
As for the info being common sense, it's only true for those who know. Those who don't understand truck turning circles or blind spots, don't know what they don't know, and/or don't think about it all the time. That's why just about every long truck here in the USA has some kind or "do not pass on right" warning in back. Not for bicycles, but also/mainly for motorists. Despite that right hook accidents remain high both for bicycles and cars.
Apparently common sense isn't that common after all.
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I can only imagine how glorious a life it would be to cycle so unencumbered with concern that I could tuck into a truck's blind spot on the inside of a turn. I worry to much about devastating injury; no wonder I'm stressed the f^^k out.
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I don't think most cyclists blithely ride into the blind spot of a turning truck, though the accident data shows some do. OTOH it's easy to do when not intending to, or thinking about it as we filter up at intersections. You come to a line of vehicles stopped on a red, and as per usual see an opportunity to filter up on the right. The light changes and traffic begins to roll out, and oops there you are, caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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their left hooks are the right hook cut offs in the left hand drive countries ..
don't become a road frisbee.
don't become a road frisbee.
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I don't think most cyclists blithely ride into the blind spot of a turning truck, though the accident data shows some do. OTOH it's easy to do when not intending to, or thinking about it as we filter up at intersections. You come to a line of vehicles stopped on a red, and as per usual see an opportunity to filter up on the right. The light changes and traffic begins to roll out, and oops there you are, caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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You're right that I shouldn't be so glib, but honestly, I cannot imagine myself being so out of it as to find myself in such a situation...I'm not saying I don't do dumb things, just that I ride wholly intentionally, deliberately, and and with awareness. I'd literally have to be drunk off my butt to have something like that happen, and given that it hasn't and that I have been (drunk off my butt), I'm not even sure I can say that much.
BTW- blind spot right hooks don't only happen with trucks. I was right hooked by a police car who passed me incompletely while we were moving at similar speed. We ended up riding together about 100yards or so until he made his turn. Not seeing me he lost track and thought he'd put more distance between us.
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