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    Got to hand it to old George, he had fast reflexes though. I remember when that happened I was laughing so hard I almost pee'd my pants! I was thinking also, what else might they throw? socks? ties? pens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
    I'm late to the thread here, but I would have recommended the Cross-Check as well. I think you'll acclimatize to bar-ends before you know it, but meanwhile you can save up $129 for a pair of Retroshift CX2, then you could move your bar-ends up to the hoods and be super-cool and unique. Or, you might consider spending a couple more dollars on some V-brakes (or find a co-op and trade your cantis for V-brakes?) and getting CX2v.

    Here's my review of Retroshifts (on my CrossCheck)
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    This morning was my first commute on the CC. I was waiting for some of the snow and salt to be cleared before taking 'er out. Very smooth ride. The bar-ends weren't a problem at all. In fact, I didn't really even think about them, I just "did". So far, very happy with the purchase and the decision to go with the CC.

    I think I'm going to stick with the bar-ends. If something borks on them, it's a $50 part as opposed to a $150+ part (brifter). They're simpler and require less maintenance, and for some reason if the indexing borks, there's friction which is hard to bust.

    The only thing that's weird and taking some time to get used to are the canti's. They stick out very far to the sides, it's almost hilarious. I was locking up my bike this morning and the bike rack was hitting up against the front side. Not a big deal, just something to get used to. Stopping power is better than the V-brakes on my Specialized. But they're older and very dirty. But honestly, I don't like V-brakes. Too much work and maintenance. I rather like the simplicity of the canti's even if they do stick out on the sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
    How readily available is replacement parts if you're out in the boonies and something happens so you go to some hole in the wall bike shop to get it fixed? It would probably have to be overnighted in. I think the Retroshift idea is interesting and a great idea, and could obviously benefit someone, I personally would not consider it, Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you brought it up because like I said it's a great idea and something for someone to think about.
    Well you're probably right, there are probably very few LBS across the country that stock Retroshift. But the lever itself is merely a rebranded Tektro somethings (RL220?) (but retroshift swaps in beefier bushings for lateral stability), so there's a good chance a shop might have a pair of those in stock that you could buy and swap parts in. The shifter boss is standard, so pretty much any (Shimano/Suntour/Riv Silver/Dia Compe...) shifter can be swapped in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clrux View Post
    I think I'm going to stick with the bar-ends. If something borks on them, it's a $50 part as opposed to a $150+ part (brifter). They're simpler and require less maintenance, and for some reason if the indexing borks, there's friction which is hard to bust.
    I dont' want to be a nag, but I'll just note again that with Retroshifts, you would be using your same existing bar-end shifters, just moved up to bosses on the front of the brake levers, so replacing them would be the $50 part, not a $150 brifter. And Retroshift has a no-questions-asked $24 repair/replace policy for the brake lever itself. These are designed for cyclocross, so they're expecting people to crash into trees, rocks, barriers, each other, etc.

    The only thing that's weird and taking some time to get used to are the canti's. They stick out very far to the sides, it's almost hilarious. I was locking up my bike this morning and the bike rack was hitting up against the front side. Not a big deal, just something to get used to. Stopping power is better than the V-brakes on my Specialized. But they're older and very dirty. But honestly, I don't like V-brakes. Too much work and maintenance. I rather like the simplicity of the canti's even if they do stick out on the sides.
    I'm glad the cantis are working out well for you! The bike assembler must have done a good job setting up the yoke height etc. Your frame size is a lot smaller than mine (I have a 60cm, your top/down tubes are touching, so I would guess maybe 52cm?), so you have a shorter length of exposed brake cable, but if you fork shudder from the front brake, look into a fork-mounted brake cable hanger, instead of the standard headset-mounted one. I recently swapped and it made a world of difference. (But I had to drill the hole in the fork a hair larger)

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    Quote Originally Posted by clrux View Post
    I purchased a 2013 Surly Cross-Check in black this afternoon after considerable research and thought. I think it's the best bike on paper, and so far (after three rides) it will make a great bike off paper. Thanks to all who contributed knowledge. Looking forward to riding it.
    Now that you've had this bike for 6 months, and I assume you've been riding it a lot, what are your thoughts now about the bike? Any changes you feel like making to it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
    Now that you've had this bike for 6 months, and I assume you've been riding it a lot, what are your thoughts now about the bike? Any changes you feel like making to it?
    Sorry so long to get back to you on this. I absolutely love it. The only thing I've changed is the saddle. I bought one that's a little wider and with gel on the inside. I've never liked the hard saddles as they're uncomfortable. I added a rack and some fenders too.

    I was a little nervous with the bar-end shifters, but I actually really like them, and prefer them to the brifters on my other bike.

    Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clrux View Post
    Sorry so long to get back to you on this. I absolutely love it. The only thing I've changed is the saddle. I bought one that's a little wider and with gel on the inside. I've never liked the hard saddles as they're uncomfortable. I added a rack and some fenders too.

    I was a little nervous with the bar-end shifters, but I actually really like them, and prefer them to the brifters on my other bike.

    Hope this helps!
    Congrats on getting a great bike that you really like as do others who have bought that bike. Bar-end shifters are indeed very nice, easy to repair even in the field in the unlikely event one should need a repair, and highly reliable compared to brifters which fail in all those regards! And with the right derailleur in the rear the bike will shift just as good as a brifter system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clrux View Post
    Sorry so long to get back to you on this. I absolutely love it. The only thing I've changed is the saddle. I bought one that's a little wider and with gel on the inside. I've never liked the hard saddles as they're uncomfortable. I added a rack and some fenders too.

    I was a little nervous with the bar-end shifters, but I actually really like them, and prefer them to the brifters on my other bike.

    Hope this helps!
    I picked up a 2014 CC in December in the hospital foam green. How do you like the bars? I ended up hating them. The ergo bend didn't work for me, the drop was too much, and it put the hoods too far forward.

    I ended up swapping out the bars for a FSA compact set that was also more narrow, and a stem with a higher angle rise.
    chronicled the swap here: Putting new handlebars on my Surly Cross-Check | the surly biker
    that stem shown though - i swapped it for a 15* salsa guide stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the sci guy View Post
    I picked up a 2014 CC in December in the hospital foam green. How do you like the bars? I ended up hating them. The ergo bend didn't work for me, the drop was too much, and it put the hoods too far forward.

    I ended up swapping out the bars for a FSA compact set that was also more narrow, and a stem with a higher angle rise.
    chronicled the swap here: Putting new handlebars on my Surly Cross-Check | the surly biker
    that stem shown though - i swapped it for a 15* salsa guide stem.
    I'm okay with the handlebars. On longer rides, the little bump/bend gets a little uncomfy, but I think this is more due to the tape, which I want to replace at some point. As for the reach, I tested two sizes (54 and 52) and ended up going with the 52. I was right in between the two sizes, so the 54 had a little more reach and the 52 had a little less reach, but liked the feel of the 52 better. I rarely use the hoods.

    I will admit I'm not very knowledgable about replacing parts. And this is my first "bent-style" drop bar so I don't really have much to compare to. It might not be the most comfortable bar, but I wouldn't know it. The bar on my other bike I got from eBay - a Nitto Grand Raundoneur 135 (42.5cm) - which don't have the bend. Between the two, the Salsa bar on the Surly is more comfy. But I've got no experience other than these two.

    Any recommendations on comfy tape, by the way? Also, your bike looks good! I like the orange. It looks more like a red-orange on my screen. Purple could be nice, as it would compliment the green. But... it's purple.

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    Sci Guy, I seem to recall that you've been talking about getting a cross check forever-- good work!

    OP, I also really like my cross check. If you go that way, it can't hurt to ask the bike shop to spray inside the frame with framesaver or something. I wish I'd done that with mine when I got it. Also, they usually seem to put the bars pretty low on the stock models. If you like that, great; but they can build it with higher bars for you too. I ALSO wish I would have done that-- I use a steerer tube extender instead. I've never ridden with disc brakes, but I don't see the need-- I've ridden through Minnesota winters with cantilever brakes and never had an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by the sci guy View Post
    I just bought a Cross-Check last weekend and I love it. Rides like a dream.
    It's my first road bike so I've never used brifters, but I found the bar-end shifters cake to use. I can see your trepidation about shifting in heavy traffic or a quick shift when needed, but I bet it won't be a huge problem and you'll get used to it fast. It's very easy to keep your left hand on the hood/brake and reach quickly with your right to shift. And the way you grab the shifter - or at least the way I do, my fingers are still wrapped around the bar end, and I use the under side of my index finger and palm or my thumb as the lever, so I am still kind of gripping the right side of the bar so I don't feel like I'm not in control of the bike.

    Another thought - if you're riding in heavy traffic, get used to anticipating when you'll need to shift ahead of time - like when approaching an intersection. If you get cut off by a car or have to brake suddenly I'm going to guess shifting gears is the last thing on your mind.

    I also don't really care about disc brakes. Too much hassle and added weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clrux View Post
    I'm okay with the handlebars. On longer rides, the little bump/bend gets a little uncomfy, but I think this is more due to the tape, which I want to replace at some point. As for the reach, I tested two sizes (54 and 52) and ended up going with the 52. I was right in between the two sizes, so the 54 had a little more reach and the 52 had a little less reach, but liked the feel of the 52 better. I rarely use the hoods.

    I will admit I'm not very knowledgable about replacing parts. And this is my first "bent-style" drop bar so I don't really have much to compare to. It might not be the most comfortable bar, but I wouldn't know it. The bar on my other bike I got from eBay - a Nitto Grand Raundoneur 135 (42.5cm) - which don't have the bend. Between the two, the Salsa bar on the Surly is more comfy. But I've got no experience other than these two.

    Any recommendations on comfy tape, by the way? Also, your bike looks good! I like the orange. It looks more like a red-orange on my screen. Purple could be nice, as it would compliment the green. But... it's purple.
    I've really enjoyed the Profile Design Cork wrap: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    I've ordered the orange twice. It's got a nice cush to it, at least I think so. I'm sure there are others that are more cushy. But the price is right. I'm not going to pay $30 for bar tape that has to be replaced.
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