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    I added a strobe to my left drop bar.

    Grest Idea...going to try that
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    Giving my 2 cents worth here. Here's what I'll do:

    1) Rear-view mirrors. My bike and I might look like a dork but better be one rather than get sideswiped or worse mowed from behind by some inattentive jack-ass.
    2) Situational awareness. I'm a big fan of Kung Fu Panda (you can snicker) so tuning out unwanted noises and seeking out those sounds that are important or potentially dangerous is a constant work-in-progress whenever I'm outside. Doesn't matter if I'm on my bike or not. Tucked into this mentality is my constant searching of a bailout path in case things (knock on wood) become dicey and I have to use it as a last-second maneuver. Kinda like playing "Musical Chairs" inside my head the whole time I'm out there with the elements.
    3) Evasion. If I've had a close call on the route I'm currently in, I re-evaluate whether that's a probable one-timer or a potential red flag. If it's the latter, then I find another safer route.

    Bottom line, it's a crazy world we all live in now, and people have lost their sense of community and instead replaced it with "Me, Myself, and I". Avoidance and Hazard Pre-emption should be the primary goal of any cyclist nowadays.
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    Strobe on the drop bar? I'll have to try that. Riding with a strobe strapped to my upper arm did jack-squat in regards to heightening peoples awareness.

    I had an F-250 king cab miss me last Monday by less then six inches and the truck was flying, I'd estimate his/her speed in the 60-80mph range, on a narrow, rain slickened, poorly light road with a posted speed limit of 35. Specifically, South St. in Foxboro, Ma. I ride on Route 1 fairly frequently and he/she was going way faster then the drivers on that route usually drive. I heard him coming up behind me, but I was already on the edge of the blacktop, and most people are driving slow enough to at least see me. I don't think this person ever did. I felt the side of truck brush passed me, I'm pretty sure if I had even flinched I would have hit the side of the truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinjukan View Post
    1) Rear-view mirrors. My bike and I might look like a dork but better be one rather than get sideswiped or worse mowed from behind by some inattentive jack-ass..
    I see lots of bikes with rear-view mirrors around here and the furthest thing from my mind is that they look dorky. Nor, I suspect, does anyone else. Rearview mirrors are expected equipment on vehicles that move along public roadways. So... no quibble with the mirror itself. What I'd really like to know is who makes your mirror and what it has in it that makes you side-swipe proof! If it really works, I want two! So... please don't keep us in suspense. Dish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGoodLeg View Post
    Strobe on the drop bar? I'll have to try that. Riding with a strobe strapped to my upper arm did jack-squat in regards to heightening peoples awareness.

    I had an F-250 king cab miss me last Monday by less then six inches and the truck was flying, I'd estimate his/her speed in the 60-80mph range, on a narrow, rain slickened, poorly light road with a posted speed limit of 35. Specifically, South St. in Foxboro, Ma. I ride on Route 1 fairly frequently and he/she was going way faster then the drivers on that route usually drive. I heard him coming up behind me, but I was already on the edge of the blacktop, and most people are driving slow enough to at least see me. I don't think this person ever did. I felt the side of truck brush passed me, I'm pretty sure if I had even flinched I would have hit the side of the truck.
    I have a set of drop bar strobes I've never installed. They're still in the package. OTOH the Planet Bike arm-band strobe gets lots of use. I have so many bikes and I ride them all and sometimes I head out with the SO on the tandem for a meal late at night. I give her the arm-band to wear. If someone doesn't see an arm band, do you think they are going to see a drop-bar strobe? Seriously, the arm-band strobe is almost 360* of flashing attention getter and the drop-bar end-cap strobe is a tiny, tiny LED... I usually have a rack mounted Superflash AND the arm-band on my main commuter but for quick trips the arm-band alone is plenty for me to feel safe. I've been to 135mph when I had my turbo-Passat. That was a one off. I routinely achieved speeds in the 80mph - 90mph range and I assure you, if you had been on the road, I would have seen you. There is nothing you can do when the dice roll against you and a real Close Encounter of the First Kind takes place. About all you can do, is what you did... hold your line. You survived. Praise __________<--(insert deity of your choice). No need to go out and spend money. It won't help. Buy a bar end strobe if you like them. It won't make you any safer than the arm band but it will make you safer than not having any strobe at all. Well thats actually not true. NEITHER the arm band, the bar-end or any other kind of strobe will save you when your luck really runs out. But, if you survive and you were not properly equipped per the DMV you are going to be in more trouble than you can ever imagine. You will be crucified in court and you will be destitute for the rest of your life. So, at least meet the minimum requirements of the law for visibility. For the most part it is money well spent. Most drivers as you say, do see you. They see you eventually, strobe or no strobe, but the strobe does help them pick you up earlier in the traffic clutter. Higher is usually better than lower, that's why the arm position works. Rear of helmet is not bad either. FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    I see lots of bikes with rear-view mirrors around here and the furthest thing from my mind is that they look dorky. Nor, I suspect, does anyone else. Rearview mirrors are expected equipment on vehicles that move along public roadways. So... no quibble with the mirror itself. What I'd really like to know is who makes your mirror and what it has in it that makes you side-swipe proof! If it really works, I want two! So... please don't keep us in suspense. Dish.

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    Well my mirror has a built-in Blind Spot Monitoring System that flashes an icon whenever an object breezes by my side. And it also has an NFC feature in which it automatically tweets through my Twitter account the date and exact time that object passes by me. My bike also has a Lane Departure Warning that gives me a buzz through my saddle (oh, that feels good) forcing me to go back to my lane. And on top of that my bike has ABS. I could've gotten the Magnetic Force Field feature but that is a $5,000 option and I realized it's not worth putting it on my $4,000 bike.

    I don't think you can afford my mirrors. That's only for the super-rich people like myself.

    There, happy with it?
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    Investing in a LAB or Cycle Savvy safety course might serve you better than a camera.
    That's gonna leave a mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    Dear God... so... you won... you saw a car overtaking you dangerously and you did not back down. You allowed yourself to smash into the rear of someone elses car at significant risk to yourself. And you are proud of that? SMH. You won because bicycles don't weigh 4,000lbs! Had you been driving something with the potential to do millions of dollars of damage and behaved so recklessly un-defensive you would have shared responsibility with the aggressive driver. As much as 40% responsibility. Enough to financially ruin you.

    I have some good advice for you. Lose the cameras. They make you cocky and arrogant. And unwilling to capitulate. A certain individual by the initials GZ had a device similar in nature to the camera's some vehicular cyclists use to feel protected on the road. Instead of using his head in a crisis situation his "camera" made him cocky and arrogant. He won in court also. But last I heard he was $2M in legal debt. He just sold a painting for $100K so I guess its down to $1.9M... ...

    H (I don't get the camera thing, I really don't. Every time I see a camera video I see where the cyclist could have easily avoided injury and the loss of their bike. Every time)
    you can ALWAYS armchair-quarterback a crash or a street-fight... even on behalf of the "winner". it's the internet, so i should expect such childish comments...

    fact is, there was nothing "wrong" with my cycling, but the motorist was careless. the crash was caused by his carelessness, NOT something "wrong" with my cycling. both the police and the civil courts are in agreement on that one. maybe just this once they decided to express a pro-cyclist bias

    by adding "Every time" to your post, you just proved that you're a troll: some crashes are NOT reasonably avoidable... a long time ago, my car was stopped at a stop-sign. a drunk-driver peeled-out and hit the back of my car, before driving off. i'm sure you would've used your incredible skill to avoid that crash, too

    here's some crashes that i think fit into the category of "not reasonably avoidable" by anything within the bicyclists' power, but i'm sure your superior skills would've left you unscathed, because you're obviously more awesome and skilled than i could ever comprehend -
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvJBNiEVSug
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwT0YA2OXhU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qycF0raqpg

    that said, just about every "incident" caught on video can be used as a learning tool. that's part of "critical incident review". no matter how good someone performed, there's almost always something they could do better next time, and no matter how bad someone does, there's almost always something they did right. looking at it that way and asking "what could i do better, next time" is one of the ways we learn from these things.

    armchair-quarterbacking on the internet doesn't help anyone... it just makes you look like a little troll.
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    I have a bright tail light and dork wheel lights, along with my headlight. I feel safer with all the light riding at 4am then I do riding around at noon, or god forbid during 4 to 6pm traffic. I always have cars and especially semi trucks who come way to close.

    Heck I even had a police car who damn near pushed me into the curb.

    I used two rear view mirrors , I generally have the worst problems at stops, cars want to pull so close to the curb that I have no room. I either have to stop behind them or if its clear I pass on the left. I hate passing vehicles on the left but I will if its safe
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    I have a bright tail light and dork wheel lights, along with my headlight. I feel safer with all the light riding at 4am then I do riding around at noon, or god forbid during 4 to 6pm traffic. I always have cars and especially semi trucks who come way to close.

    Heck I even had a police car who damn near pushed me into the curb.

    I used two rear view mirrors , I generally have the worst problems at stops, cars want to pull so close to the curb that I have no room. I either have to stop behind them or if its clear I pass on the left. I hate passing vehicles on the left but I will if its safe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudz View Post
    .... I generally have the worst problems at stops, cars want to pull so close to the curb that I have no room. I either have to stop behind them or if its clear I pass on the left. I hate passing vehicles on the left but I will if its safe
    Am I reading this right? Your biggest issue is with cars who stop near the curb, preventing you from filtering up at red lights. Since you live in a "right turn on red" state, they may be doing you a favor.

    OTOH - if they left you room to filter up, you'd be complaining about getting right hooked.
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    ^1 I'm with FB. If there is a 3 or 4 ft passing law, then the cyclist should not squeeze up on the right side if that same 3 to 4 ft space is not available. You cannot have it both ways and it is a sure invitation to get curbed or right hooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smasha View Post
    indeed...

    the motorist's actions (regardless of whether or not there was physical contact between us) caused me to partially lose control of the bike, and limited my ability to safely stop. thus any resulting damages are his liability.
    It's funny, until I saw your story/video, I would have thought video cameras were a good idea and video evidence a compelling argument. Now, I'm not so sure.

    First and foremost, your video makes it really hard to understand the cause and effect. It's difficult to conceive how a car coming FROM THE RIGHT of you can contact and/or spook you into hitting a car that's in front of you and TO THE RIGHT. From the result, it looks like you were already heading toward a collision with the car in front. Either that or you swerved that way under your own power and/or weren't maintaining stopping distance since you couldn't stop in time. At any rate, the video is not conclusive at all. All I can glean from it is that a car passed closely and you somehow managed to crash into another car that was neither in your appropriate path of travel nor the direction in which the overtaking vehicle propelled you. Of course, the reality may be much different, but the video says otherwise.

    Which means I will have to radically adjust my opinion of video evidence. Mind blown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatUp View Post
    It's funny, until I saw your story/video, I would have thought video cameras were a good idea and video evidence a compelling argument. Now, I'm not so sure.

    First and foremost, your video makes it really hard to understand the cause and effect. It's difficult to conceive how a car coming FROM THE RIGHT of you can contact and/or spook you into hitting a car that's in front of you and TO THE RIGHT. From the result, it looks like you were already heading toward a collision with the car in front. Either that or you swerved that way under your own power and/or weren't maintaining stopping distance since you couldn't stop in time. At any rate, the video is not conclusive at all. All I can glean from it is that a car passed closely and you somehow managed to crash into another car that was neither in your appropriate path of travel nor the direction in which the overtaking vehicle propelled you. Of course, the reality may be much different, but the video says otherwise.

    Which means I will have to radically adjust my opinion of video evidence. Mind blown.
    first, the car came from behind, not "car coming FROM THE RIGHT".

    i was reading the road ahead, covering my brakes, preparing to stop, when the car pulled alongside of me (from behind), and then started pushing me towards the curb (if you believe me, there was contact between the car and bike - if you believe the driver (who testified that he passed me safely and came to a stop before i raced passed him and crashed into the car in front, through no fault of his) there was no contact). this caused "partial loss of control" - that is to say, many bicyclists would have hit the ground right there, but i managed to keep the bike upright, although steering and stopping ability were compromised.

    i was able to bleed off some speed before hitting the vehicle in front, but UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES i didn't have any better options.

    it's kind of funny... after explaining this to the police, who assessed the driver's actions as careless under statutory definition, AND explaining this to a civil court, who assessed the driver as being liable for damages to my bike, that a few armchair-quarterbacks are coming up with some pretty interesting critiques of the situation, from their living rooms. i guess if you were in this situation, you'd just blame yourself for someone else's carelessness...?

    understand that the job of the police includes identifying ALL breaches of traffic statutes, INCLUDING breaches committed by a person who FILES a complaint (there's even a notice to that effect on the complaint form, that by filing the complaint you may be cited for your own actions). after getting my hands on the police notes (while preparing for the civil case) the only thing the police found wrong with my riding was that i was "RIDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD" (seriously, this could have resulted in a ticket for "failing to keep left", which i would have fought and likely won). they failed to note the parked cars on the left (as i had noted in my original complaint) but they did note that i was moving with other traffic, so there was no reason for the motorist to attempt an overtake. anyway, the police would've been more than happy to issue a ticket against me if they thought i did something wrong... they did NOT issue a ticket (or warning) against me, despite their own notes hinting at a degree of anti-bicycling bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smasha View Post
    first, the car came from behind, not "car coming FROM THE RIGHT".

    i was reading the road ahead, covering my brakes, preparing to stop, when the car pulled alongside of me (from behind), and then started pushing me towards the curb (if you believe me, there was contact between the car and bike - if you believe the driver (who testified that he passed me safely and came to a stop before i raced passed him and crashed into the car in front, through no fault of his) there was no contact). this caused "partial loss of control" - that is to say, many bicyclists would have hit the ground right there, but i managed to keep the bike upright, although steering and stopping ability were compromised.

    i was able to bleed off some speed before hitting the vehicle in front, but UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES i didn't have any better options.

    it's kind of funny... after explaining this to the police, who assessed the driver's actions as careless under statutory definition, AND explaining this to a civil court, who assessed the driver as being liable for damages to my bike, that a few armchair-quarterbacks are coming up with some pretty interesting critiques of the situation, from their living rooms. i guess if you were in this situation, you'd just blame yourself for someone else's carelessness...?

    understand that the job of the police includes identifying ALL breaches of traffic statutes, INCLUDING breaches committed by a person who FILES a complaint (there's even a notice to that effect on the complaint form, that by filing the complaint you may be cited for your own actions). after getting my hands on the police notes (while preparing for the civil case) the only thing the police found wrong with my riding was that i was "RIDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD" (seriously, this could have resulted in a ticket for "failing to keep left", which i would have fought and likely won). they failed to note the parked cars on the left (as i had noted in my original complaint) but they did note that i was moving with other traffic, so there was no reason for the motorist to attempt an overtake. anyway, the police would've been more than happy to issue a ticket against me if they thought i did something wrong... they did NOT issue a ticket (or warning) against me, despite their own notes hinting at a degree of anti-bicycling bias.
    I totally believe you that the car made contact, no objection here. But it hit you on the right side. As I recall from physics, that would push you to the left, AWAY from the car you struck. But more important than all of that, what I was actually commenting on was related to the original purpose of this thread: After having seen your video, I think cameras on bikes are far less useful than I thought because when I watch your video it makes ME want to disbelieve YOU. And I WANT to believe you. I'm a cyclist too, I've been hit by cars, my default stance is to side with you. So my verdict for the purposes of this thread is to say that you may be better off only having your testimony and no video.

    Besides, having a video camera on board means you can't use all the colorful language you want to if you're gonna show the cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatUp View Post
    I totally believe you that the car made contact, no objection here. But it hit you on the right side. As I recall from physics, that would push you to the left, AWAY from the car you struck. But more important than all of that, what I was actually commenting on was related to the original purpose of this thread: After having seen your video, I think cameras on bikes are far less useful than I thought because when I watch your video it makes ME want to disbelieve YOU. And I WANT to believe you. I'm a cyclist too, I've been hit by cars, my default stance is to side with you. So my verdict for the purposes of this thread is to say that you may be better off only having your testimony and no video.
    if you want to cite basic physics, consider this... a motor vehicle travelling next to a bicyclist moves towards the bicyclist, and hits the bike's handlebar with it's wing mirror and/or hits the bike's pannier bag with the side of the vehicle.

    unless IMMEDIATE corrective/evasive action is taken, the bike will simply be pushed beyond it's centre-of-gravity and fall over sideways, away from the motor vehicle. sometimes corrective/evasive action results in a partial loss of control. in other cases, it may postpone (or hasten) a complete loss of control.

    for sake of argument, let's say you believe the car didn't make contact (as i suspected, the police referred to the incident as an "alleged collision" and noted that a primary collision isn't clearly identifiable from the video)... the proximity and handling of the vehicle would still reasonably result in evasive/corrective action on my part - this was explained to the motorist by the arbitrator/magistrate at the civil trial - so even if his side of the story is correct and he didn't hit me, his "careless driving" still reasonably caused me to take corrective/evasive action, and leaves him liable for resulting damages.

    without video, the police would have taken NO FORMAL ACTION against the motorist. at most, the police would have told me and the motorist to "just be more careful, next time". pursuing it as a civil matter without video, just "your word against his", would've been a waste of the filing fee and an afternoon. i would've been out-of-pocket for a set of wheels.

    ^^ that paragraph is the beginning and end of why i ride with cameras. it's seems bizarre that people can look at a case that should clearly be considered an argument in favour of helmet-cams, and turn it into an argument against helmet cams because maybe the bicyclist didn't do everything text-book perfect when suddenly faced with a careless motorist. like facing a violent assault, you've got a split-second to make decisions (if you're lucky!) that may be under the microscope later (regardless of whether your actions were "right" or "wrong"). you do the best you can, with what you have, and if you survive you get an opportunity to learn from it. among other things, a helmet-cam is a tool to help people learn from these types of "incidents".

    the important point in this particular case, is that both the police and the civil court were satisfied that i crashed into the back of the vehicle after partially losing control of the bike, and that the motorist's "careless driving" is the one and ONLY thing that caused me to partially lose control of the bike. further, the civil court was satisfied that the crash caused damage to my wheels, and the motorist was liable to pay for that damage. without video, it wouldn't even be a good campfire story.

    Quote Originally Posted by NatUp View Post
    Besides, having a video camera on board means you can't use all the colorful language you want to if you're gonna show the cops.
    not true. police generally accept that in a "heated moment" (especially if you didn't contribute to the moment becoming heated) or after suffering an injury, you may use some foul language. this is very different than just shouting profanity at anyone who's nearby. you can also submit a video without audio to the police, if the audio isn't relevant to the incident.

    the are only two things that one needs to restrain from, while riding with a camera:
    1. dishing out U-lock justice. just get it on video, get away safely, and let the police & courts dispense justice.
    2. violating relevant vehicle/road statutes.

    getting either of those on video from a first-person-perspective can can cause problems for oneself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinjukan View Post
    Well my mirror has a built-in Blind Spot Monitoring System that flashes an icon whenever an object breezes by my side.
    So... about what I figured. See, I have mirrors too... doesn't stop the 57 bus from scaring the @#$ out of me when it slides past on my left on SR8 East. See, the mirror can't tell me the bus is there and I can't hear him because of all the other traffic, but, if I ever see a ped walking in the bike lane and I need to swing out in the left lane to pass him, the first thing I'm going to do is flick my left eye over to the mirror while keeping my other eye on the ped. That way I don't pull out into a bus... that would not be good. But if a homicidal cager (or Trimet bus operator) ever decided that today was the day he was going to ram a cyclist into the grass verge for the fun of it... .. neither my mirror, or yours, would do anything at all to warn me, or you. I'm tired of the "mirror as passive warning device bull-crap". Makes no sense. Cars have had mirrors for decades. Has that impacted accident statistics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    So... about what I figured. See, I have mirrors too... doesn't stop the 57 bus from scaring the @#$ out of me when it slides past on my left on SR8 East. See, the mirror can't tell me the bus is there and I can't hear him because of all the other traffic, but, if I ever see a ped walking in the bike lane and I need to swing out in the left lane to pass him, the first thing I'm going to do is flick my left eye over to the mirror while keeping my other eye on the ped. That way I don't pull out into a bus... that would not be good. But if a homicidal cager (or Trimet bus operator) ever decided that today was the day he was going to ram a cyclist into the grass verge for the fun of it... .. neither my mirror, or yours, would do anything at all to warn me, or you. I'm tired of the "mirror as passive warning device bull-crap". Makes no sense. Cars have had mirrors for decades. Has that impacted accident statistics?

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    First of all, you're not paying attention. I already said that I have all the most modern tools available right now to give me instant information while I'm riding. Again because I'm super-rich. I even have my own training SAG wagon trailing me all the time.

    It's the first day of the brand-new year. Whatever belief that makes you happy, scared or whatever....then good for you. Whatever floats your boat. If that argument of yours makes you feel like you've man-ed up someone then by all means gloat till your liver comes out.

    Happy now Mr. Scrooge?? Now go to your social media page and tell the world that you've enlightened a billion people with your plausible argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smasha View Post
    you can also submit a video without audio to the police, if the audio isn't relevant to the incident.
    Is editing the audio like editing the video in order to present only the parts of the incident the camera user wants anyone else to see? What happens when the police ask what happened to the edited out audio or video? Do you just say wasn't relevant, so I deleted it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Is editing the audio like editing the video in order to present only the parts of the incident the camera user wants anyone else to see? What happens when the police ask what happened to the edited out audio or video? Do you just say wasn't relevant, so I deleted it?
    all of the videos i've provided to police have included audio, but i don' think it's ever been relevant. i'm sure some of the audio has been useless noise. that said, i can speculate based on my experiences with using video to get prosecutions and talking to police...

    if the police have reason to believe the audio may be relevant, they can/will request it. then one can either provide it, or not provide it, when requested.

    i'd have to guess... if one doesn't provide the audio, the police may decide to not take further action. if one does provide the audio, and it's self-incriminatory, then the police may take action against the complainant.

    that said, the technology isn't perfect. sometimes the audio is recorded as just noise (eg road noise, wind noise, chain & shifter noise). sometimes the audio is unintelligible (distorted or quiet). one of my cameras sometimes records audio as nothing but a horrible squeal. cameras in waterproof housings are limited in their ability to record good audio, and cameras not in waterproof housings have the microphones exposed to the elements, where they can be damaged. in those cases, there's little/nothing that can be done to recover useful audio.

    i usually provide video to the police after combining two or more cameras with a picture-in-picture "effect", so some level of "editing" is there, and no one has ever complained about that... not even the people who have been prosecuted as a result of such footage.

    personally, if i'm involved in an "incident" and a few choice words slip out, i'm not too worried about giving that audio to the police. if i had a habit of shouting profanities at people without provocation, then i might consider a helmet cam as more of a liability than an asset.

    i'd advise against deleting footage that one intends to use in a legal case, at least until after the case is disposed. for any number of reasons (eg a road-rage assailant claims that you provoked/initiated/escalated an attack/assault) the police or defence may request footage preceding/following an incident for a certain time and/or distance, or even door-to-door footage. when video is part of a complaint, i keep door-to-door footage until the case is disposed... just in case.

    IIUC, london's road-safe program requests that videos submitted with a complaint include 2 minutes immediately before and after an incident... but i'm not sure if they "require" audio to be included in the video submission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMACH 5 View Post
    Investing in a LAB or Cycle Savvy safety course might serve you better than a camera.
    Yes, I did this, and agree it is a good idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    If you do not have the money for a basic camera to record motorist malfeacance then, IMO, neither do you have the economic wherewithal to use the court system to bring about a legal confrontations with random drivers that may have transgressed against your right of way.

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    There is some truth to this, but it varies by locality.

    I have been riding with a helmet mounted Contour. I do seem to notice fewer close brushes. Helmet cams are getting to be common enough that soon most people will know what they are. Just knowing that they may be on camera improves the behavior of some. Not a perfect fix, but mounting a fake camera might be something to consider. I am a much bigger fan of prevention than prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smasha View Post


    try not to laugh... when i went to court with this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_h0vaPTcEY

    the mediator/magistrate asked about the video of the crash, and how i got it. she said she once previously tried a case with a crash video... the video was a reenactment
    How is that not completely your fault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
    How is that not completely your fault?
    uugghh... because i was following the road rules when the driver of CYT944 (the silver 4-door sedan) was driving carelessly, pulled alongside me, and pushed me towards the curb. read the video descriptions. read the titles in the video.

    hell... read the thread, above. i think i've already explained this a few times, recently.

    you guys are posting like my complaint was against with the driver in front of me, rather than the driver who (allegedly ) hit me and caused me to partially lose control of the bike.
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    Laws must be different down under.

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