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Old 12-31-13, 11:42 AM   #26
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you mean Nichola Tesla who developed and promoted AC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

As opposed to Thomas Edison who was on the DC side of the choice..

As AC is predominant in the world wide distribution of centralized electric Power ..

it was more than Mildly successful..
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you mean Nichola Tesla who developed and promoted AC
I suspect this is the Tesla he had in mind.
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They used the GM/Toyota plant in Fremont, abandoned by the NUMMI assembly facility http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI.

Googleaires can afford them..
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What is that in USD? And it has to be laced into a rim, and trued. And there are not TMK any serious chinese suppliers of high-end dynamo lights. Lets be honest, dynamo lights are not the best value in terms of money spent for lumens out the light are they. They reward the connoisseur who can afford to spend some money up front (make an investment) and rides in an area where the surrounding infrastructure also provides enough background illumination to allow for the modest output of a hub dynamo. IOW, they are not, cannot be, for everyone.
In the long run, dynamo systems cost less. They take less work in keeping them working. The light they provide is adequate. I ride dynamo lights on totally unlit roads. I can see fine. And I do have a Taiwan-made headlight. It wasn't cheap, but it wasn't crazy-expensive, either. It's sturdy and will probably last years, and I may not even need to re-aim it often.



No, they're not for everyone, since some people don't ride their bikes often even to even think of what would work best. I ride often, and I've used all kinds of lights before settling on these.
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Personally ... I think batteries are old school and the Americans in this thread are getting sucked into this trap by the mild success of Tesla.

Meanwhile, in Germany, we legally have to shut down fossil fuel power plants, by law, because the grid is overwhelmed with mandated renewable evergy.

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I suspect this is the Tesla he had in mind.
Maybe somebody can explain what the poster had in mind by bringing up any reference to the "Tesla" or its relationship to the thread subject . Or maybe even explain what the heck is the point of the Tesla/Americans sucked in to a trap rant.

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Maybe somebody can explain what the poster had in mind by bringing up any reference to the "Tesla" or its relationship to the thread subject .
Who knows for sure, but it was part of a general snipe of battery vs. generator - Green? - technology.

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Personally ... I think batteries are old school and the Americans in this thread are getting sucked into this trap by the mild success of Tesla.

Meanwhile, in Germany, we legally have to shut down fossil fuel power plants, by law, because the grid is overwhelmed with mandated renewable evergy.

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In the long run, dynamo systems cost less. They take less work in keeping them working.
I think this summer I will build a wheel for testing. But as for costing less, it must be a REAL long term thing, because it's competing with a $35 light, and if it's anything like my Magicshine, well, it's been going 5 years now and hasn't cost me a penny after purchase except for charging. The work is negligible - I have other things on the bike that need charging (2nd and 3rd taillight, 2 cameras), getting another battery on the charger once a week is 30 seconds extra a week.
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But as for costing less, it must be a REAL long term thing, because it's competing with a $35 light.
I recently bought a shimano deore lx dynamo to replace an earlier Shimano dyno hub I had for 7 years of heavy riding, the hub on seized under frozen conditions. The new dynamo cost $90, old one cost $70 in 2007. That doesn't include buying the rim, spokes, and assembling a light to rival your magicshine. If you buy any in-market dynamo lighthead that's under $200, it will not match the brightness of your magicshine.

I now have 4 dynamo front wheels to complement my bikes. Cost wise, they do not come anywhere close to a $51 yinding china light that I also have. Unless you're doing DIY lights like me, the commercial dynamo lights will also not come anywhere to close to that yinding. IMO, the convenience factor and the long run time outweighs the cost penalty.
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Maybe somebody can explain what the poster had in mind by bringing up any reference to the "Tesla" or its relationship to the thread subject . Or maybe even explain what the heck is the point of the Tesla/Americans sucked in to a trap rant.
1. This isn't a rant as the components are all factually connected.
2. Not sure that I want to take the time to spell it out.
3. Topic covered are: rare earth minerals in batteries vs. metal in a dynamo ... energy production in a grid in the US vs. foot power from a dynamo ... the US market hyping Telsa when turbo Diesel will continue to prevail for a very long time ... the cost of dynamo based equipment in the US vs Eu market because economies of scale come into play ... that the StVZO provides "limiting rules" as seen by BF members in the past really creates a framework that reduces costs for all consumers ... that if a country doesn't have a StVZO-like system in place then no real cycling infrastructure will be built (see England.)
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1. This isn't a rant as the components are all factually connected.
2. Not sure that I want to take the time to spell it out.
3. Topic covered are: rare earth minerals in batteries vs. metal in a dynamo ... energy production in a grid in the US vs. foot power from a dynamo ... the US market hyping Telsa when turbo Diesel will continue to prevail for a very long time ... the cost of dynamo based equipment in the US vs Eu market because economies of scale come into play ... that the StVZO provides "limiting rules" as seen by BF members in the past really creates a framework that reduces costs for all consumers ... that if a country doesn't have a StVZO-like system in place then no real cycling infrastructure will be built (see England.)
Tesla? Tesla's are barely known in the U.S. Most people don't even know that three of their principals were killed a couple of years ago. Hybrids are hyped far more than any plug in electric. The only hybrid in wide acceptance is a Toyota. Few even know that ford has a hybrid Escape. A Chevy Volt is far more a conversation topic than a Tesla and in Oregon I've seen a ton of Nissan Leaf's (Leaves?). Tesla's? I've never seen one in real life. Over here people like their diesels big and loud and their forte is grunt, not fuel economy. Over where you are, diesels are thrifty and tuned to run on strained french fry grease. That might slow down the adoption of plug in hybrid or plug in electric but one day, ALL motorized transportation will be all electric. And not that far off either. The rest of your post is unintelligible. I do not know the acronym you refer to and what pray tell does a cycling infrastructure have to do with lighting? What is a cycling infrastructure anyway? The notion that bikes need some kind of 'seperate but equal' roadway system' segregated from motor traffic is what will kill any kind of widespread adoption. It just ain't gonna happen. NYC has about 6,000 miles of streets and maybe 200 miles of bike-way and that ratio isn't likely to significantly change.

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You've been abroad for a while so lose your perspective .. af7

Diesel cars dont have much of a market share in the US, so few get shipped over here

The SE is a low wage area , now for making cars , and so many European brands have factories there,

Prius out sells Volt, and the Leaf hardly sells at all . Tesla is a posh toy, never seen any ..

City put in a charging station here , blowing out the circuit for a few blocks , in the process,


and, since then, I've never seen anyone using it.
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'Mr bubbles' would have saved buying the other 3 by spending a bit more , up front.

I Have had zero problems with my Schmidt, ..

we will see if the Brompton-Shimano wheel is as trouble free..


&7 what can I say there are only 2 right wing parties in the US
and TV tells people what to think.
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The rest of your post is unintelligible. I do not know the acronym you refer to and what pray tell does a cycling infrastructure have to do with lighting?
None of the ex-pat's rant has anything to do with the subject of bicycle lighting, just incoherent ranting as far as I can tell.
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that if a country doesn't have a StVZO-like system in place then no real cycling infrastructure will be built (see England.)
StVZO-like system is not a requirement for a cycling infrastructure, see China and Japan.

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'Mr bubbles' would have saved buying the other 3 by spending a bit more , up front.

I Have had zero problems with my Schmidt, ..

we will see if the Brompton-Shimano wheel is as trouble free..
Your math is as bad as your writing composition. I spent $70 for 7 years of use on one bike, if my new $90 shimano deore lx dynamo last just as long or more, that's $160, still a lot cheaper than the overpriced schmidt, which can also fail under 7 years of abuse.
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StVZO-like system is not a requirement for a cycling infrastructure, see China and Japan.
To be fair, Japanese cycling regulations are almost as diabolical as those in Germany, albeit different and not as accessible for Western speakers. However, I would say that the infrastructure in Japan pales in comparison to those on the continent. However, I should state that this was based only on my analysis during a six-week holiday from Tokyo to Kagoshima.

China is a different beast altogether. Some infrastructure is built but it is not policed at all.
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Tesla? Tesla's are barely known in the U.S. Most people don't even know that three of their principals were killed a couple of years ago. Hybrids are hyped far more than any plug in electric. The only hybrid in wide acceptance is a Toyota. Few even know that ford has a hybrid Escape. A Chevy Volt is far more a conversation topic than a Tesla and in Oregon I've seen a ton of Nissan Leaf's (Leaves?).
Please, if you're in Oregon, speak for Oregon. I'm in Michigan and people definitely know Tesla. I've seen two on the road so far, which isn't too surprising given that they are still a small company. I see Escape Hybrids pretty much every day. I see Volts at least once or twice a week. Teslas are so in demand in the US that there's a waiting list. I have talked to a bunch of people who are just waiting for Teslas to come down in price a bit.
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Please, if you're in Oregon, speak for Oregon. I'm in Michigan and people definitely know Tesla. I've seen two on the road so far, which isn't too surprising given that they are still a small company. I see Escape Hybrids pretty much every day. I see Volts at least once or twice a week. Teslas are so in demand in the US that there's a waiting list. I have talked to a bunch of people who are just waiting for Teslas to come down in price a bit.
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They were very well promoted in Frankfurt and I usually saw at least one on a daily basis in the summer months. However, as bicyclebob pointed out, Frankfurt is a city full of European bankers and not Oregon.
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A year ago I made this rear light from a sticky LED strip on a curved aluminum sheet. It works OK with a Shimano dynamo hub.

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Looks tidy, those all glow red , I assume.. and no standlight..


Just replacing the reflector with a such as ..

B&M Line Plus toplight is both .. 2 LED's light up the whole thing.
backlights the reflector too ..

and the taillight stays on for a while when I stop.

Patched together that and the Eyc headlight.. runs off my Brompton-Shimano wheel.

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Very nice, Reynolds. I think acidfast's point is that the American market is pretty irrational. In other words, the "collective decision" that the market makes is not so much about facts. I don't think Tesla is so bad, though. It's aimed at the high end of the market, which is a great way to break in and prove the concept and technology. I predict it will succeed in the long run, but I'm not rich enough to play with one. I've seen a lot of them in NJ where average income is quite high.

I know some people are just fine with periodic battery maintenance, but with my bikes, I am not. I don't want to have a schedule of changing and charging batteries. It's hard enough to do it with my phone, but my bikes live three floors beneath me. I want to ride the elevator down to the basement, grab a bike, ride up to the ground level and jump on the bike in the street. Dynamo lights let me do that.

The Shimano dynohub gets good reviews, but interestingly, I haven't read of any failures with the Sanyo. The Sanyo costs least of all dynohubs, as far as I know. I'm going to buy a second one. It has worked flawlessly so far.

I buy and trade bike parts and bikes a lot, so I have lots of rims and spokes already. With all the horse trading I do, I probably don't pay much for them, though I don't keep track. I even make a profit on some things. Sometimes I disassemble a used wheel just to reap the spokes or rim. Other times, I have to order spokes or a rim, but not often. Now I know not everyone is inclined to build and rebuild bikes this way, but it's a hobby for me, so it works great for me. Building wheels is relaxing and satisfying.
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Thanks Tom! Like you, I try to salvage and recycle used parts, hate how some shops throw away parts...

fietsbob: your rig (Eyc+Toplight) is what I want for my hybrid. But it's somewhat hard to get where I live, and I like DIY stuff too.
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People here order thru French and German and British web-sellers , they will ship anywhere on the Planet.
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plus you usually get the pice without VAT/MwSt which reduces it between 19 and 25% ... which most people don't consider!
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My only problem with dynohub LED system is price: still a lot of extra euros left locked in the parking lot. So I stick with a pair of CatEye battery LEDs, that last for months (blinkers at the front and rear), plus a torchlight I stick on my handlebars when riding unlit streets, which's batteries I recharge when needed (I always carry a pair of spare batteries and a torchlight when commuting). Has worked fine so far. No hassle.

Dynohub system is even nicer, but, like I said, I don't feel like investing any more money into a commuter bike - too much already. Some day, probably, but not yet. However If I rode unlit roads longer and more often than I do now, dynohub would be worth the "risk".
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