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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    If that's true, it still hinges upon whether they enforce laws on cyclists. Here in the northeast, we rarely get cited for any violations, so the question is not whether it will get you cited, it's whether it makes sense to use.
    There are really two questions to ask when addressing the legality of bicycle conspicuity:

    1. Will it get you a ticket, or worse, from law enforcement?

    2. If a driver hits you, will any part of your equipment give them an excuse to say you're partly at fault for operating illegally?

    For most middle-class cyclists in nice neighborhoods with moderately-illegal lighting, I suspect 2 is more of a concern than 1. If you fit the profile of someone the police would like an excuse to detain, a blue flashing light would be an obvious enough violation to hang a stop on.
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    This thread is not disappointing


    Keep 'em coming . . .


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    I think the lasers are a good idea, when used in conjunction with a blinky. There needs to be some kind of a light set up that drivers will ALWAYS recognize as a bicycle AND be easily seen. I commute every morning at 5:30, so I use lights everyday (since most of you are commuters, I assume you do, also) and I would like a light that lets drivers see ME AND know that I am on a bike. Bicyclists know that we should always be apparent to drivers and let them know our intentions-being seen should be priority #1 .
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    I find that having people recognize me as a bicycle isn't always good. When they think I might be a motorcycle, they give me a lot more room.

    When I get close enough for them to see that I'm on a bicycle, sometimes they pull right out towards me and drive alongside until they get up to speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gpolly1 View Post
    There needs to be some kind of a light set up that drivers will ALWAYS recognize as a bicycle AND be easily seen. .
    There already is. Its called a blinky. Nothing more needs to be added to existing blinkys so that drivers will ALWAYS recognize you as a bicycle. Besides, my best guess at the width of the lane that laser is marking is barely giving a cyclist 18" on either side. That's far short of the 36" on the left side that many cyclists need to feel safe. In America, a cyclist only needs clearance on the left, this device is the answer to a question no one asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    The red lasers can be seen or not depending on angles of the road. They are not what I am talking about, though. The blue flashing part is as bright as any taillight Ive ever seen. This is just a case of 'serious' people taking this stuff too seriously and knocking it because it didnt cost a lot or would be something they use. I realize this is BF and it would exist if people didnt have divergent opinions, but to say they are invisible or something like that is wrong and misleading to someone who doesnt know any better. Lights get to a certain level of brightness where the human eye cant tell a difference. This light is as bright as any 'serious" bike companies best, and it recharges. If someone is open-minded enough to not fall for the "I need to pay a lot" or "serious bike rider" syndrome, they will have a nice light.
    The blinky is just a blinky. There are a million others, some better, some worse, some more expensive, some less. The different thing here is the "lasers," and that's why the discussion is about them. If you only want to discuss blinkies, why post a laser "bike lane" thing?

    Anyway, to say the lasers are not visible until you're right near the bike is not misleading, it's just how it is. I'm sorry man, I know you want this to be super great, but it's just a blinky with some useless lasers attached. I have plenty of bright blinkies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
    ...useless lasers...
    I understand what those two words mean, but when you put them together like that you make no sense. Apparently you need to heed the label that reads "WARNING: LASERS ARE AWESOME."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
    I understand what those two words mean, but when you put them together like that you make no sense. Apparently you need to heed the label that reads "WARNING: LASERS ARE AWESOME."

    The lasers will blind you if you look at them directly. They do work well in certain conditions.
    Im getting a good laugh out of some to the comments.
    A nice crossection of bicycle elitists have issued the light a slap-down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gpolly1 View Post
    There needs to be some kind of a light set up that drivers will ALWAYS recognize as a bicycle AND be easily seen.
    This has been the goal for a very long time, and maybe this is the problem. I want a laser that makes a 3D hologram that makes me look like a car, though moving slowly. They don't see us because we are so narrow. Put two headlights in front, six feet apart and two tail lights, two feet apart. Draw the body around that. Now we're talkin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    I want a laser that makes a 3D hologram that makes me look like a car, though moving slowly.
    Then the drivers will honk at this "slow car" non-stop

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    Quote Originally Posted by vol View Post
    Then the drivers will honk at this "slow car" non-stop
    Let 'em! As long as they don't hit me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    I want a laser that makes a 3D hologram that makes me look like a car, though moving slowly. They don't see us because we are so narrow. Put two headlights in front, six feet apart and two tail lights, two feet apart. Draw the body around that. Now we're talkin'.
    I've got just the thing you were talking about (albiet, not a hologram!):


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    crabon fibre?
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    Looking at this video, I can see this getting way too washed out in the city lights I drive under and also i can see drivers trying to fit in between the red lines while they stare and try to figure out what I am .... no thanks, glad it works out for some, but the seniors that drive in my area, I think this makes me more of a bulls-eye.


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    I hope some of them work better than the one in that video.

    What I see in that video is some dinky lines that are almost not entirely washed out, sort of visible by a person standing still and not looking through a windscreen, provided that the cyclist is riding 2 MPH and is in a spot not lit directly by any ambient lighting at all.

    Also, the lines are far too close in, that's only about a 5 inch passing zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    I hope some of them work better than the one in that video.

    What I see in that video is some dinky lines that are almost not entirely washed out, sort of visible by a person standing still and not looking through a windscreen, provided that the cyclist is riding 2 MPH and is in a spot not lit directly by any ambient lighting at all.

    Also, the lines are far too close in, that's only about a 5 inch passing zone.
    I imagine the distance between the lines and the bike varies depending on how high the light is positioned. Unless it's adjustable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    A nice crossection of bicycle elitists have issued the light a slap-down.
    I'm elitist for telling you that the lasers don't do much to increase your visibility? Huh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telly View Post
    Very nice! Only problem is the pedals are visible from behind, and the tires are suspiciously narrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    I imagine the distance between the lines and the bike varies depending on how high the light is positioned. Unless it's adjustable?
    I got a similar one. If it's raised higher, the distance between the lines becomes wider, but the brightness also becomes weaker (it's brightest when it's close to the ground, when the two lines are very close to each other).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    I imagine the distance between the lines and the bike varies depending on how high the light is positioned. Unless it's adjustable?
    Sure, but given that it's already 3' off the road and is only giving about 3' of width, and it needs to give 8' of width for standard passing distance, you'd have to put it 8' off the ground.

    Also, the farther up it goes, the dimmer will be the projected lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telly View Post
    I've got just the thing you were talking about (albiet, not a hologram!):

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