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Old 01-17-14, 08:49 PM   #1
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How feasible would be to mount and unmount my bike?

Hello everyone!

I went yesterday to pick up my Allez frame from the LBS. It's been sitting there for almost a year now, as I've been having physical therapy on my hands and wrists -to alleviate injuries caused by a delivery guy in a motorcycle who jumped onto the sidewalk and charged against me last year, while I was riding on my previous commuter bike-.

I've been debating myself for a long time as to whether I should complete this new build -or not, and move on from biking (hence the brief story above), and one of my main concerns is about how feasible it would be to dismount the two wheels and put them on a bag like this, then be allowed to enter whatever mall/place with the rest of the bike still assembled. The reason for that is my previous bike was stolen in a parking lot (with a 'supposed' security guard), so I won't even consider completing the bike if I cannot get into places with it on my hands (NEVER again leave it out of my sight).

How easy/difficult is it to dismount the wheels on a road bike?
Does it take too long, would some component wear out prematurely from doing it on a daily basis?

I'm guessing the front wheel is fairly simple; perhaps the back wheel is more difficult, with the cassette and the chain?
I'd be trying to make a light bike (without it ending up prohibitively expensive) so I can easily carry the bike indoors with me, whenever required, and not make it as attractive for thieves (I'm going for a stealth build). The two components I have so far:

Specialized Allez E5 OSBB Frameset:


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Mavic Aksium wheels


I plan on getting and Ultegra 6800 group and maybe exchange the stock seat post for a lighter one. Is it too hard (or a bad idea) to dismount the brakes and the rear wheel whenever I have to enter some store or mall? The guys at the LBS say I could be starting a 'thing' locally..


Any opinions are much appreciated!

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Old 01-17-14, 09:13 PM   #2
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I don't know...if it came down to worrying about feeling like I needed to remove the wheels every time I entered a building I'd probably be looking for a bike I didn't care much for. It's not difficult to remove them, just a pain if you ask me, especially combined with then carrying them around. Besides that, if somebody really wants that bike they're going to steal it with or without wheels.

Nice looking frame by the way
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Old 01-17-14, 09:21 PM   #3
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My plan would be to pack the wheels on a bag, and carry the rest of the bike on the other hand, when entering some indoors place. If they refuse then I would look for another place to eat, go to the bathroom, shop around etc.
Thieves would have to try and take it from me while I'm riding it. I'd plan my routes more carefully (used to go around everywhere on my previous bike and lock it on parking lots, cheaper mtb), and I already have some potent pepper spray to carry with me.

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If I were in your position I'd either carry the bike inside assembled or forget about that frame and get a folding bike instead.
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If I were in your position I'd either carry the bike inside assembled or forget about that frame and get a folding bike instead.
Surely this. Especially the last. My folding bike was in daily use back in NYC but out here on the west coast there is much less need for a bike that folds. Much less need, but there are still quite a few occasions when it comes in very handy. Store personnel don't know or care about the trauma's in your past. But many are surprisingly tolerant of fully assembled bicycles on their premises. Even when it is posted otherwise.

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Get a folding bike, like a Brompton, that folds down to shoulder bag size in seconds.

Your idea will have you a slave to the bike and its assembly and disassembly. Plus, even a frame with detached wheels is very inconvenient to carry around, the chain will get you dirty, eventually the derailleur or hanger will get bent, etc. To safely and conveniently carry a disassembled road bike, you need a carrying case , and that's hard to carry on the bike.
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Well, I don't like folding bikes at all, nor things with motors on them. When I bought this frame I was all enthusiastic, watching Tour De France and whatnot. I've had over a year to think more about my hands (I rely heavily on them being healthy for working), the dangers of going alongside cars (I don't think going up and down sidewalks would be as practical on this bike as in the previous mtb), the money aspect, possibility of theft, etc.

Long story short, it has come to me being able to either build this one, or give up cycling.. well, at least for the time being.

Before I bought the frame the other option I was considering was a light mtb. But those come quite expensive, at least locally (even more than this one) and above all, I think it would prove much more difficulty trying to sneak one of those into a mall The prospect of going faster and also more portability and less fatigue got me into getting this frame.. I'm weighing in the options; all your input is really appreciated!
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Fwiw (I don't think I mentioned it before in the thread) my mtb got stolen on a parking lot last year: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...%28?highlight=

Hence why I won't end up getting anything that requires a lock/leaving it outside anymore.
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Well, I hope you find something that works out for you. Good luck
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Long story short, it has come to me being able to either build this one, or give up cycling.. well, at least for the time being.
It doesn't have to be an either or position. There is variability and other solutions. Carrying the bike around will be impractical at best. BTW I have a Brompton that I carry into stores the few times I have ridden it and the bike gets heavy fast.

Maybe the Specialized isn't the best bike for your commuting needs?
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My plan would be to pack the wheels on a bag, and carry the rest of the bike on the other hand, when entering some indoors place. If they refuse then I would look for another place to eat, go to the bathroom, shop around etc.
Thieves would have to try and take it from me while I'm riding it. I'd plan my routes more carefully (used to go around everywhere on my previous bike and lock it on parking lots, cheaper mtb), and I already have some potent pepper spray to carry with me.

THanks!
I see what you mean now. Rear wheel removal is not difficult but I like to have the bike on a stand or upside down for putting it back on. You may also find you may need to grab the chain which will get your hands messy.

Anyway, I think your plan isn't very practical but if you think it will work, go for it.
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So, in the end we wind up with yet another reason not to ride on sidewalks.

You might get hit by a motorcycle.
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So, in the end we wind up with yet another reason not to ride on sidewalks.

You might get hit by a motorcycle.
+1. If Stix weren't a regular poster, I'd assume he was trolling: "I'm thinking about buying this bike and taking it apart to bring inside buildings." WTF?
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Cheaper bike,better locks,or folding bike.

Taking a full size bike apart and carrying it around is going to get old quick.
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It's not hard to remove and reinstall the wheels - I do that regularly when transporting my road bike in the trunk of my car. But carrying around both the wheels and the frame would get to be rather cumbersome. One problem with carrying the frame is that the chain is likely to get tangled or to come off the chain ring and then be hanging down. Some frames have a little hook on the inside of the drive-side chainstay for holding the chain when the rear wheel is removed - if yours lacks such a device it should be possible to make a clamp-on version. I'd recommend some such method to keep the chain from getting loose and then tangled if you'll be carrying the frame around sans rear wheel.

But I agree with comments above that you're likely to get tired of the aggravation of carrying wheels and frame around and would instead suggest some investment in good quality locks. They don't have to be theft-proof (nothing is), just enough of a deterrent that the thief will opt for someone else's bike that's easier to steal.
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+11, Seems you are describing a situation where a Folding Bike would be so much better.


.. than a race type bike , such as you show.

N+1, save the fancy road bike for just riding in the countryside.


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Well, I don't like folding bikes at all
Thats too bad, good luck with making what you do like, work for you .. ..


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How easy/difficult is it to dismount the wheels on a road bike?
it is made simple for replacing a punctured tire and wheel with another ,
as you may see looking at the pro races . But ..
the derailleur is vulnerable , chain slack dangles and makes things it touches

dirty .. and all that if there is no wheel in the rear dropout.. .

Removing front only, is less of an issue ,
and often people with a big U lock take the front wheel off so they can lock it,
the frame and the rear wheel to a post.

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You're not seriously suggesting taking the wheels off and carrying them around on supermarket runs and trips to the mall? Wont that scream "scavenge me" with the frame locked up to the rack? Or would you carry the frame around also?

I think I'd buy a cheap wheelset ($150 or so) and use it and a good lock for the utility cycling, and switch out for the more serious rides.
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Taking a full size bike apart and carrying it around is going to get old quick.
It'll get old real quick let alone time consuming and annoying.

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You're not seriously suggesting taking the wheels off and carrying them around on supermarket runs and trips to the mall? Wont that scream "scavenge me" with the frame locked up to the rack? Or would you carry the frame around also?

I think I'd buy a cheap wheelset ($150 or so) and use it and a good lock for the utility cycling, and switch out for the more serious rides.
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Also, some locking skewers (front/rear/seatpost) would be the next best thing along with a fahgettaboudit chain imho. Or just get a Brompton and save yourself the trouble of doing all this. Brompton's are the jam!
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You're not seriously suggesting taking the wheels off and carrying them around on supermarket runs and trips to the mall? Wont that scream "scavenge me" with the frame locked up to the rack? Or would you carry the frame around also?

I think I'd buy a cheap wheelset ($150 or so) and use it and a good lock for the utility cycling, and switch out for the more serious rides.
He's actually talking about carrying around the entire bike, frame and all, just with the wheels removed and in the bag. It wasn't clear to me either at first.
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Fwiw, that Allez and wheelset is too nice to be locking up. Ever consider an older, steel road frame with a descent groupset for locking up?
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He's actually talking about carrying around the entire bike, frame and all, just with the wheels removed and in the bag. It wasn't clear to me either at first.
That sounds miserable.
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He's actually talking about carrying around the entire bike, frame and all, just with the wheels removed and in the bag. It wasn't clear to me either at first.
Yes exactly. I would have to do that once each day, perhaps even twice, sometime.

Thanks everyone for your replies. I'm aware it would be a nuisance, I just want to check how much you think it would be.

I would not consider getting a heavier/cheaper bike (as I was burning up too much calories on a mtb anyway); I bought the Allez because I thought upgrading to a road bike would help me move faster, make for an even more fun ride, and perhaps also become a bit less fatigued, as I work in different places each day. I always have the alternative of taking buses/cabs, for me the bike is simply a much nicer way to get around. The concept of a beater doesn't appeal to me much, and regardless of the price of a bike, I'm not willing to ever leave another one locked up unattended, and offer thieves a 'challenge'.. Once was enough, lesson learned.

The folding bike is logically the practical alternative for me, unfortunately I don't care for the look in those at all. I may have to end up selling the parts I already have (along with the new lights, pedals, etc I had for it) and give up.. for now I guess I'll just keep pondering about it more.
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It's not hard to remove and reinstall the wheels - I do that regularly when transporting my road bike in the trunk of my car. But carrying around both the wheels and the frame would get to be rather cumbersome. One problem with carrying the frame is that the chain is likely to get tangled or to come off the chain ring and then be hanging down. Some frames have a little hook on the inside of the drive-side chainstay for holding the chain when the rear wheel is removed - if yours lacks such a device it should be possible to make a clamp-on version. I'd recommend some such method to keep the chain from getting loose and then tangled if you'll be carrying the frame around sans rear wheel.

But I agree with comments above that you're likely to get tired of the aggravation of carrying wheels and frame around and would instead suggest some investment in good quality locks. They don't have to be theft-proof (nothing is), just enough of a deterrent that the thief will opt for someone else's bike that's easier to steal.
For handling the chain I guess I could get gloves -other that the ones I ride in. The frame does have the small hook you mention I believe, but in any case, I think Specialized also sells them separately.
If I were to get locks I'd need to secure at least both wheels and the frame, the seat, and the handlebars. That alone would amount to some 4 or 5 locks (which would defeat the purpose of a light bike altogether I think), and yet other parts -such as the drive train- would still be totally exposed.
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So, in the end we wind up with yet another reason not to ride on sidewalks.

You might get hit by a motorcycle.
Well actually it's more like dedicated bike paths around the city, with a smaller lane for pedestrians on the side. From time to time some motorcyclist decides it's a good idea to cross or even go through these bicycle lanes located by the sidewalks, instead of going through regular traffic jams on the street.
A couple months after the incident with the motorcyclist, another one charged at me on the same spot exactly, only this time, I was a pedestrian. Might have been the same guy, dunno though.

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Well, last summer I became known to the staff of various supermarkets and shops around my neighbourhood as the guy who wheels his bike around the store. When it's not pouring rain here I ride what for me is a very nice carbon race bike, although it doesn't even rate a glance compared to high end machines I see all over the place in my city; but I'd be heartbroken if it were stolen or scavenged for parts, and that certainly is a thing that happens around here. As a result, if I'm just popping into a shop to grab a few things, I wheel the bike around with me. It's a hassle, to be sure, and the shop staff aren't always thrilled, but the way I see it I'm doing nothing more problematic than wheeling a shopping cart around. So far nobody's made a real issue out of it, my bike remains unpoached, and my peace of mind is intact - plus I don't have to carry a heavy lock. That's the approach I'd recommend.
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