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    http://www.538.nl acidfast7's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    Can we agree that it has sporting pretensions? I mean... Pista bars... track dropouts... do you think its a touring bike? Cyclo-cross? Hmmm. Fender eyelets? Where? Is that why the o.p. is using zip-ties? My Team U.S.A. has water bottle mounts does that make it ok to put fenders on it? I could, this is Portland, they put fenders on carbon Kestrels and commute with them. Doesn't mean its right and it doesn't mean everyone does it. Some things are simply wrong.

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    I like to think of it as a training bike. I'm much better when I ride in the Alps on the MTB now!

    There are eyelets on the and rear, nothing on the triangle.

    Essentially it's a fun bike to commute on and is cheap to run which I like.

    I kind of a piece of crap though and no track would allow it grace its surface.

    I am impressed that you have a strong opinion for once, usually you're quite a pushover!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    Can we agree that it has sporting pretensions? I mean... Pista bars... track dropouts... do you think its a touring bike? Cyclo-cross? Hmmm. Fender eyelets? Where? Is that why the o.p. is using zip-ties? My Team U.S.A. has water bottle mounts does that make it ok to put fenders on it? I could, this is Portland, they put fenders on carbon Kestrels and commute with them. Doesn't mean its right and it doesn't mean everyone does it. Some things are simply wrong.

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    Definite pretenses I'll give you that, but after following this bikes thread there's no way I'd ever call it a track back.. more like a confusedl road fixed gear. But Acid's description works fine, since it does make him ride stronger Training bike it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    Putting fenders on a track bicycle ought to carry a mandatory minimum sentence. Just saying.
    It's not a real bicycle, it's a BSO didn't ya know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94 View Post
    It's not a real bicycle, it's a BSO didn't ya know?
    LoL could get a "Signature Schwinn" over here for what he paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    LoL could get a "Signature Schwinn" over here for what he paid.
    To be fair, 20% of that is tax and the USD isn't really worth anything anymore ... so it makes the exchange wonky ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    To be fair, 20% of that is tax and the USD isn't really worth anything anymore ... so it makes the exchange wonky ...

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    To be fair then my Leader is wonkily cheaper than your BSO
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    http://www.538.nl acidfast7's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    To be fair then my Leader is wonkily cheaper than your BSO
    I wouldn't ride a Leader if someone paid me ... too many frame breakage issues in their first-gen frames.

    The cost of my bike ... included someone in the UK building it up and riding it ... then tearing it down and mailing it to me.

    So, I also get well tested bike and employ someone in the country I'm living for what works out to roughly $299.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    I wouldn't ride a Leader if someone paid me ... too many frame breakage issues in their first-gen frames.

    The cost of my bike ... included someone in the UK building it up and riding it ... then tearing it down and mailing it to me.

    So, I also get well tested bike and employ someone in the country I'm living for what works out to roughly $299.
    The turn around that company did is pretty spectacular actually, the QC issues were huge but they actually went the right way with it.. they started going above and beyond to prevent that from happening again. I won't fault you for disliking them though.. there's plenty of brand hate in the 41 too.

    I could have sworn your figure worked out too much more than 299 with the VAT and all, wasn't it roughly at $600? Actually I am quite sure it was.. as you've said previously apples to oranges. I was just making a funny before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    The turn around that company did is pretty spectacular actually, the QC issues were huge but they actually went the right way with it.. they started going above and beyond to prevent that from happening again.

    I could have sworn your figure worked out too much more than 299 with the VAT and all, wasn't it roughly at $600?
    299 GBP for the bike, assembly and shipping.

    299 GBP - 20% VAT = 240 GBP without tax

    USD has fallen 12 percent against the GBP since when I bought it: 299 GBP x 12% = 36 GBP

    240 GBP without tax - 36 GBP (correction for current USD value versus when I bough it) ... results in 204 GBP

    204 GBP = 339 USD

    So, not quite 300 USD ... but relatively close!

    The $600 price includes a bunch of stuff including two Knog lights, a Sigma 1009 computer, a Kryptonite Lock, fenders, tax, grease for the chain, and the soon to be 20% drop in the USD versus the GBP
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    I don't hate Leader for what it's worth.

    However, the bike does look more expensive every day to you guys if the USD goes down!

    A couple of times, when I did the update on the cost ratios, the bike became $10 USD more expensive overnight!

    I like funnies! This shouldn't be interpreted as being competitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    I don't hate Leader for what it's worth.

    However, the bike does look more expensive every day to you guys if the USD goes down!

    A couple of times, when I did the update on the cost ratios, the bike became $10 USD more expensive overnight!

    I like funnies! This shouldn't be interpreted as being competitive.
    And given my frameset was a factory second and free other than shipping, impossible to compare anyhow
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    And given my frameset was a factory second and free other than shipping, impossible to compare anyhow
    You should update how far you've ridden it! I could add it to my BSO thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    You should update how far you've ridden it! I could add it to my BSO thread.
    I don't really keep track of miles on it, but I do about 150 miles every two weeks on my main SS commuter.. that one was built from parts in the bin basically and the frameset someone was throwing out so I rescued it, who the hell throws out a triple splined and butted frameset miyata??!?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
    I am impressed that you have a strong opinion for once, usually you're quite a pushover!
    You have definitely confused me with another poster. That or you misplaced your sarcasm emoticon. There is simply no way one could describe my oeuvre as wishy washy. Just ask Patrick.

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