How do I get quicker on acceleration?
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Just like the 41, where everyone wants to argue about the transmission when the much bigger factor is the engine.
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All these replies to the OP's question are just as useful as recommending a fixed gear single speed as the answer. But at least these 3 posters are not serious.
All that is lacking is a 'bent fan-boy to suggest that getting bent is the answer.
All that is lacking is a 'bent fan-boy to suggest that getting bent is the answer.
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Regardless, I really don't think the OP wants to buy a new bike just to accelerate faster, I think he is more interested in technique or training tips for faster acceleration.
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What you're talking about is power vs strength. Strength will keep you going faster both on flat courses as well as up hills and also over the distance whereas power will allow for increased acceleration. (Technically, going up a hill is acceleration too but, depending on the slope, it would be a blend of strength and power). I'm reading about weight training for cyclists and it includes routines to improve power (if you're interested, I can get the info to you but you'll have to wait until tomorrow).
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We call this improving your jump. Here is a set that my coach has me do as crit season heats up.
From a standing start (or as close as you can manage), do 10 sets of 15" intervals. Five from the small (or middle ring), say 39x16 or so. Hit it hard and wind it up as fast as you can go. Don't shift. You should feel like you're spinning as fast as possible at the end of the 15".
Now do five from the big ring, say 53x15 or so. Again, hit it hard and don't shift. On these you'll really struggle to turn the pedals over for the first five or so revs. Then focus on getting on top of the gear and turning the mash into spin.
These are inherently high intensity intervals so I wouldn't do these more often than twice a week, at least to start.
From a standing start (or as close as you can manage), do 10 sets of 15" intervals. Five from the small (or middle ring), say 39x16 or so. Hit it hard and wind it up as fast as you can go. Don't shift. You should feel like you're spinning as fast as possible at the end of the 15".
Now do five from the big ring, say 53x15 or so. Again, hit it hard and don't shift. On these you'll really struggle to turn the pedals over for the first five or so revs. Then focus on getting on top of the gear and turning the mash into spin.
These are inherently high intensity intervals so I wouldn't do these more often than twice a week, at least to start.
Don't forget about a strong push off too. Don't just lift the planted leg and start pedaling. Lean into it a bit and push off with the planted foot like a runner would on a starting block.
Another thought - don't sweat it. If you're talking about stop lights, you have the right of way on the green. If you're having to cross at stop signs and have narrow windows, consider turning right, and then taking the lane to turn left somewhere for an eventual U-turn. Better to be safe than rely on a quick start where your foot could slip off the pedal or something.
Another thought - don't sweat it. If you're talking about stop lights, you have the right of way on the green. If you're having to cross at stop signs and have narrow windows, consider turning right, and then taking the lane to turn left somewhere for an eventual U-turn. Better to be safe than rely on a quick start where your foot could slip off the pedal or something.
If you want to do REALLY fast standing starts, ride the track. Get a track coach to show you how to do a real standing start. There is a definite technique to it. Watch youtube videos of standing starts on the track to see how it's done. You need to use your whole body. The biggest secret is to drive your hips forward, like you're humping the stem of your bike. With this technique, you can start just as fast in a big gear as someone trying to spin up a smaller gear. You can also use this technique on steep climbs, so it's worth knowing.
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Thanks for the good advice, everyone. I'll keep working on it, but I'm not going with a single speed. I'm a wimp on hills :/
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15" means 15 seconds. Sorry for the shorthand. Note that these will put a fair amount of stress on both the bike and the rider so make sure both are in good working order first.
I also neglected to mention that these are meant to be done out of the saddle and in the drops. If you don't have drop bars, just get as low as reasonably possible.
I also neglected to mention that these are meant to be done out of the saddle and in the drops. If you don't have drop bars, just get as low as reasonably possible.
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How is this any faster then just starting a geared bike in a similar gear ratio to your single speed instead of downshifting? With gears at least you have the option. Understand single speed is less maintenance, moving parts, etc. but I don't see how this will make it faster in this case.
Don't take my word for it. See if you can borrow a fixie and try it yourself. The advantages really show in traffic, when you need to get from 20 to 30 ASAP.
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This makes sense to me. I'm able to sustain myself for long rides and up hills just fine. The issue is when I need a quick burst of power. I'd be grateful to see the material you have when you have time. I ordinarily only do body weight type exercises (yoga, lunges, etc.), but I'm curious to see what you have.
Good luck with it.
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You can do it that way on a geared bike, but that's not how most people accelerate with gears. On a single speed you are in that situation all the time and are going to be faster than you would be with gears. This is especially true on a fixed gear. You never spin out until you're going a lot faster than you'll get in an intersection. There is always resistance to your pedal stroke and you don't get that chain slap that you might expect if you tried this on a geared bike in too low a gear.
Don't take my word for it. See if you can borrow a fixie and try it yourself. The advantages really show in traffic, when you need to get from 20 to 30 ASAP.
Don't take my word for it. See if you can borrow a fixie and try it yourself. The advantages really show in traffic, when you need to get from 20 to 30 ASAP.
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Yeah I almost always end up starting from a dead stop in the 34x17 gear, and clipping in causes the biggest delay. If you can learn to trackstand that's the fastest way to get off the line.
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15" means 15 seconds. Sorry for the shorthand. Note that these will put a fair amount of stress on both the bike and the rider so make sure both are in good working order first.
I also neglected to mention that these are meant to be done out of the saddle and in the drops. If you don't have drop bars, just get as low as reasonably possible.
I also neglected to mention that these are meant to be done out of the saddle and in the drops. If you don't have drop bars, just get as low as reasonably possible.
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According to "Weight Training for Cyclists, Eric Schmitz and Ken Doyle, 1998", the best method, but is recommended only for people who have been weight training for at least a year (for the sake of knowledge and experience), is the Power Clean routine. However, they also recommend plyometric routines: bounding (30m/yd, 5), single-leg hops (30m/yd 5x/leg), stadium hops (10-20 steps, 5x), single-leg push-offs (5-10x/leg) and squat jumps (5-10x). The basic idea is that you put explosive effort into pushing with your legs, just like the training that @caloso suggested for on the bike. Also, according to the book, the power phase of the training is to occur during the month of March (GET TO IT!!!!) prior to a month of endurance training and then maintenance training through the cycling season. Power training, from the sounds of it, is tough on your legs.
Good luck with it.
Good luck with it.
oops - I just realized that you provided links to you tube videos. Thanks!
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Only if they're forced to, i.e. racing on a track. A fixed gear bike might be a good training aid but a rider will never be faster or more efficient on a fixed gear bike. A geared bike provides more variety and better training options than a fixed gear bike. You can do on the bike strength training by doing big gear standing starts or riding up a hill at high power and 50RPM. You can do this with a fixed gear if the hill is just right but you have far more flexibility with a geared bike.
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Here is what I "power start" at intersections: Start at 1 gear lower than my usual starting gear. Keep spinning up and shifting quickly until getting to the desired speed. I found hill climbing helpful in gaining more core and muscle strength to help my start.
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You can do it that way on a geared bike, but that's not how most people accelerate with gears. On a single speed you are in that situation all the time and are going to be faster than you would be with gears. This is especially true on a fixed gear. You never spin out until you're going a lot faster than you'll get in an intersection. There is always resistance to your pedal stroke and you don't get that chain slap that you might expect if you tried this on a geared bike in too low a gear.
Don't take my word for it. See if you can borrow a fixie and try it yourself. The advantages really show in traffic, when you need to get from 20 to 30 ASAP.
Don't take my word for it. See if you can borrow a fixie and try it yourself. The advantages really show in traffic, when you need to get from 20 to 30 ASAP.
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15" means 15 seconds. Sorry for the shorthand. Note that these will put a fair amount of stress on both the bike and the rider so make sure both are in good working order first.
I also neglected to mention that these are meant to be done out of the saddle and in the drops. If you don't have drop bars, just get as low as reasonably possible.
I also neglected to mention that these are meant to be done out of the saddle and in the drops. If you don't have drop bars, just get as low as reasonably possible.
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I think you are having a Spinal Tap moment...unless you are really slow getting off the line. My grandmother was faster than fifteen inches in 15 seconds...and she was using a stroller!
You are off on the distanced covered in 15 seconds. It would depend on the rate of acceleration and time. Consider: If you were crossing a 4 lane intersection, that's about 60ft. If the final speed is 15mph, the acceleration is 4 ft/sec and the distance is covered in 3.7 seconds. That's a leisurely pace. Assuming that you stop accelerating once you hit 15mph, in 15 seconds you will have reached 112 feet. If you accelerate at 7 ft/sec to 20 mph, you'd cover that distance in around 2 seconds and you'd have reached 150 feet in 15 seconds.
You can do it that way on a geared bike, but that's not how most people accelerate with gears. On a single speed you are in that situation all the time and are going to be faster than you would be with gears. This is especially true on a fixed gear. You never spin out until you're going a lot faster than you'll get in an intersection. There is always resistance to your pedal stroke and you don't get that chain slap that you might expect if you tried this on a geared bike in too low a gear.
Don't take my word for it. See if you can borrow a fixie and try it yourself. The advantages really show in traffic, when you need to get from 20 to 30 ASAP.
Don't take my word for it. See if you can borrow a fixie and try it yourself. The advantages really show in traffic, when you need to get from 20 to 30 ASAP.
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