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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    he argued for a distinction between the ideal and non-ideal realm.
    i used the term as a euphemism for unattainable perfection, mr pedant.
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    thats what the internet connoisseur wants . the unattainable ..
    and wants it Cheap!

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    I commute on 23 mm gatorskins, no problem. My only flats were pinch flats and one was because I think I ran over barbed wire or some that made it through the tire and puncture resistant tube.

    I don't commute in the rain much here, but when I do I never have a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    Gah!

    The OP did not ask what size tire they should purchase. They specifically asked for recommendations for 700x23. To illustrate how easy it is to do this:

    Money is no object: Conti 4 Seasons.
    Cheap kevlar clincher with reasonable protection: Rubino Pro II/III (as low as $25 on sale)
    Cheap impregnable wire bead clincher: Serfas Survivor (far better protection than gatorskins and only a touch heavier)

    When riding on tarmac preferred tire size is influenced by preference and riding style rather than some dogmatic platonic ideal.
    Are you really surprised that people voiced their opinions on BF that was not a direct answer to the OP's question? I am actually surprised this post hasn't turned into a big debate about skinny vs fat or this tire vs that or something totaly unrelated.

    I think that a number of people suggesting to consider tires wider than 23mm is actually relevant based on the OPs question. The OP may not have thought about a 25 or 28 mm tire (I know I never did for my roadbike), but the OP is concerned about grip in the rain, on poor roads covered in sand/gravel/dirt/etc, and puncture resistance. A slightly wider tire could help with these concerns. The OP is free to ignore the part about the wider tires if they don't want wider or his/her bike can't handle them and still can take many of the tire recommendations made, as most of them are available in 23mm.

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    Give it time. The tire width argument will come
    Giant Rapid 3- COMMUTERIZED *IBERA*Nashbar*Tiagra*105*Velocity*Selle SMP*Gatorskin
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    Gah!

    The OP did not ask what size tire they should purchase. They specifically asked for recommendations for 700x23.

    These boards are for conversation, not for a strict input-output fact machine.

    Personally I would not commute on a tire smaller than 28mm. If the bike can fit them, I'd suggest installing them.
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    Maxxis Re-Fuse 700x23. Foldable Kevlar beaded. Very puncture resistant. 120PSi
    In 5,200 miles of cycling got only 2 flats (one was a patch that came loose).
    We live in Arizona so lots of road debris + loads of cacti thorns.
    Use them on our tandem and also on single bike.
    Get +/- 2,000 miles off rear tire with a few hundred more miles off front tire.
    We like 'em!
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    Go with the Forte (Performance) brand. They're a poor mans version of a conti. In fact use it with a puncture resistant tube. Weight? are you kidding? its a commuter.....
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    I've loved all continentals I've ran in 700x23. And loved them even more in 700x25

    Commuted for two years, rain or shine (mostly shine in California) on 23s. But I don't think I well ever run anything smaller than 25 again. Absolutely in love with my Conti gp 4000S. Very comfy and grippy, and theoretically pretty decent at puncture resistance. Though for an all out commuter is probably go gp 4 seasons for my ideal, on road tire.

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    I've got about 3900 miles on a set of Continental GP4000s (in 700 x 23), that have served me quite well so far. Quite a bit of life left on them still. I run them with the Forte puncture resistant tubes from Performance, and as long as you don't get one from one of those batches that had problems with valve stem separations, they're quite bullet proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
    These boards are for conversation, not for a strict input-output fact machine.
    Personally I would not commute on a tire smaller than 28mm. If the bike can fit them, I'd suggest installing them.
    Personally I would never commute on a lugged steel frame. If you can afford it, I'd suggest a modern carbon fiber frame that is both laterally stiff and vertically compliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    Personally I would never commute on a lugged steel frame. If you can afford it, I'd suggest a modern carbon fiber frame that is both laterally stiff and vertically compliant.
    Haha! Right?!?

    Now if we could just get 5 more jerkies to post the same exact thing...I mean, I'm sure the OP just doesn't know carbon frames exist, because there's no possible or logical reason to choose steel...and we really just want to help and care deeply that someone doesn't make the grave, life-changing mistake of getting a steel frame.

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    Vittoria rubino. not too expensive, quite durable, good puncture resistance. I tried 700x23 and 700x25 and didn't see a big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    thats what the internet connoisseur wants . the unattainable ..
    and wants it Cheap!
    with free shipping!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrickards View Post
    with free shipping!!
    Free shipping is so 2012. I want free same day delivery now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstraus View Post
    Free shipping is so 2012. I want free same day delivery now.
    And free installation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    Personally I would never commute on a lugged steel frame. If you can afford it, I'd suggest a modern carbon fiber frame that is both laterally stiff and vertically compliant.
    I have no idea if this is supposed to be a joke or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
    I have no idea if this is supposed to be a joke or not.
    Sadly, it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan s View Post
    Sadly, it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    You are a funny guy. I guess.
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