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    Quote Originally Posted by Archery_Queen View Post
    Thanks I'm very greatful for everyone's knowledge. Finding a decent road bike is hard. At least in my budget, but Ireally want to join the bike club on campus :-/ iI might go back to the bike project placeand see if they have a cheap road bike . I know now what to look for thanks to everyone's knowledge ;-). I've learned so much from everyone. So thank you guys :-D
    You are right in being patient. Your bike will come. Keep looking, enjoy the chase

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    Old Japanese steel. It will probably be dependable as long as you maintain it. The only negative I see is that it has bolt on wheels so you will have to carry the proper wrench as a part of your flat kit. You also want to move the front end of the Pletscher rack down so it is level. Level the seat as well.
    Unfortunately it's hi ten. I have Korean hi ten that I love but I got frame/fork/wheels for free.

    My Univega Super Special was right up there with my Pinarello Record, but it had Tange Champion tubing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    Unfortunately it's hi ten. I have Korean hi ten that I love but I got frame/fork/wheels for free.

    My Univega Super Special was right up there with my Pinarello Record, but it had Tange Champion tubing.
    Hi ten (high tensile or 1080) steel ("gas pipe steel") is the most basic quality of steel used on older bikes. It's still fine - I commuted for 14 years on a high-tensile Panasonic bike. Better quality bikes had higher quality steel: eg. "cromoly", "4130", "Reynolds 531", that is somewhat stronger and hence could be made a bit lighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    Unfortunately it's hi ten. I have Korean hi ten that I love but I got frame/fork/wheels for free.
    She's looking to get around, not win the TdF. This looks like a solid frame, not like the Montgomery Ward 10 speed that I got in college. The MW had it's down tube separate from the bottom bracket two weeks after I started riding it. For the price point, the Shogun is okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archery_Queen View Post
    How is it any bbetter or worse than the constant posts "I'm starting to commute help me pick a bike" or "what do you think of my cool new accessory" .
    The occasional "help the damsel in distress" posts aren't any better or worse than the constant posts "I'm starting to commute help me pick a bike" or "what do you think of my cool new accessory."

    They are the same. Keeps those who enjoy these repetitious threads busy providing their expert advice over and over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    The occasional "help the damsel in distress" posts aren't any better or worse than the constant posts "I'm starting to commute help me pick a bike" or "what do you think of my cool new accessory."

    They are the same. Keeps those who enjoy these repetitious threads busy providing their expert advice over and over again.
    Slow day over in A&S eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
    Frame looks bent to me. Top tube appears to have a strange angle. This bike took a header at one time.
    I see that now, too. The closet door detail is a straight line but that top tube is most definitely not straight! That fork still looks closer to vert than the HT/stem. Don't see bent forks and bent frame at the same time that often, usually it's just one or the other

    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    She's looking to get around, not win the TdF. This looks like a solid frame, not like the Montgomery Ward 10 speed that I got in college. The MW had it's down tube separate from the bottom bracket two weeks after I started riding it. For the price point, the Shogun is okay.
    I got no problems with decent HiTen, but wrecked Hi-Ten sucks.

    This Schwinn comes closer to fitting someone that's 5'6", has DT shifters, likely indexed, direct mount rear derailleur, a full complement of bar tape and other niceties, well worth the extra money.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Archery_Queen View Post
    My offer was shot down with a stern "no" :-/


    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    So counter with 125. That is a nice bike. I just got through looking at it. Very nice. Even at full asking price. That one you can ride in a skirt, even though it has drop bars. Not really correct, but heck, all the social graces are going to hell in a handbasket. I don't really see a lot of evidence of a bent fork on the Shogun btw. Photo's are really hard to make those kinds of determinations from.

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    I agree. You could even go as high as the asking price, based on your budget of $100 to $200 in another thread. That is, if the bike seems in good shape, brakes (not breaks) work fine, wheels are true, cables and housing look good (not frayed at the ends and no kinks), it shifts fine, and the tires look decent. And if it fits.

    And look at the red Schwinn too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    Slow day over in A&S eh?
    Its always busy here with the threads as previously mentioned; occasionally there is one here that causes me to rise to the bait.
    Bottom lines are:
    Specific bikes on Craigslist will be sold if they are good buys long before an indecisive poster can ever get enough advice to enable her to "pull the trigger".

    Garages and basements are filled with unused bikes owned by people who thought buying a bike with more gears or lighter or from a "better" source would somehow magically flatten hills for them that their previous "heavy" bike could not.

    Asking over and over again about this bike or that is not going to change the advice given early on to this poster and numerous others in the past. Get a little practice on your commute with your current bike "heavy" or not, gain a little experience, a bike afew pounds lighter is hardly going to make much difference on a commuter bike.

    Advice on what to buy from strangers is going to be all over the map and more than likely make a purchase more difficult for an indecisive person. No bike will be "ultimate" or "perfect" enough, especially on a rock bottom budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    The occasional "help the damsel in distress" posts aren't any better or worse than the constant posts "I'm starting to commute help me pick a bike" or "what do you think of my cool new accessory."

    They are the same. Keeps those who enjoy these repetitious threads busy providing their expert advice over and over again.
    and gives you plenty of fodder for your predictable comments too, so it's win/win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    I see that now, too. The closet door detail is a straight line but that top tube is most definitely not straight! That fork still looks closer to vert than the HT/stem. Don't see bent forks and bent frame at the same time that often, usually it's just one or the other



    I got no problems with decent HiTen, but wrecked Hi-Ten sucks.

    This Schwinn comes closer to fitting someone that's 5'6", has DT shifters, likely indexed, direct mount rear derailleur, a full complement of bar tape and other niceties, well worth the extra money.



    Yep, the Shogun has definitely been crashed into something. I didn't even notice that myself when I first looked at that picture...It just shows how important it is to slow down and pay closer attention and look it over in greater detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    I see that now, too. The closet door detail is a straight line but that top tube is most definitely not straight! That fork still looks closer to vert than the HT/stem. Don't see bent forks and bent frame at the same time that often, usually it's just one or the other
    Difficult to draw exact lines on such a picture with such muddy edges, but here's what I get:



    Only half a degree, though some of that is likely due to the fact that edge detection didn't work too great here and I had to eyeball em.

    Top tube looks like it may be a bit buckled:




    Gotta do something on my coffee break

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    Quote Originally Posted by awfulwaffle View Post
    Difficult to draw exact lines on such a picture with such muddy edges, but here's what I get:



    Only half a degree, though some of that is likely due to the fact that edge detection didn't work too great here and I had to eyeball em.

    Top tube looks like it may be a bit buckled:




    Gotta do something on my coffee break
    That cracks me up, but it should be noted the wheels are sitting at different points on the floor if the tile line can be trusted, suggesting the bike is set at a slant already, then factor in the height of the two doors behind it appears to be off from one another.. and I think we're all just guestimating.
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    Hey, what about this schwinn traveler ??.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    That cracks me up, but it should be noted the wheels are sitting at different points on the floor if the tile line can be trusted, suggesting the bike is set at a slant already, then factor in the height of the two doors behind it appears to be off from one another.. and I think we're all just guestimating.
    True, though one should still be able to see a difference in angle of the head tube and fork even if the perspective isn't perfect. Then again, the side of the fork may not be meant to be perfectly parallel to the headtube. Perhaps I'm guesstimating too hard

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    Lol a woman looking for a bike gets all kinds of attention around here. Three pages of advice including diagrams with frame angles on a $70 bike. You guys have really outdone yourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megalowmatt View Post
    Lol a woman looking for a bike gets all kinds of attention around here. Three pages of advice including diagrams with frame angles on a $70 bike. You guys have really outdone yourselves.

    Has nothing to do with gender, people just need stuff to do on their breaks My fiance doesn't appreciate your implication

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archery_Queen View Post
    My offer was shot down with a stern "no" :-/
    Bummer. The Miyata is a better quality bike by far than the Shogun you posted. If you could scrape the money together it's worth the asking price in my opinion, even if it turns out to need a little work.
    If you're not riding with a psychedelic gecko on your shirt, you ARE having a substandard experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megalowmatt View Post
    Lol a woman looking for a bike gets all kinds of attention around here. Three pages of advice including diagrams with frame angles on a $70 bike. You guys have really outdone yourselves.

    It's not just about her, although I hope it helps her. It's also a fun discussion about bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooker View Post
    It's not just about her, although I hope it helps her. It's also a fun discussion about bikes.
    ☝☝This.
    I never respond to "new commuter" type threads because I don't know anything about newer bikes.
    If a thread arises that blubbering on about old stuff and commuting is appropriate, I am going to enjoy that short moment

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