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Old 05-16-14, 01:40 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
I like the comment made at 3:46 when people started talking about how protected bike lanes made them more likely to ride bikes. I notice all sorts of people on the local MUPs for example who would never ever ride a bike on the street. Expanding the number of people willing to ride and to support bicycle infrastructure is important. Protected bike lanes are not just about building the physical infrastructure for bicycles; they also help build a constituency for bicycles.
Yup, that's me! There is a street near me with loads of destinations on it. No bike lane, and it is easy too busy. So I don't bike there, I drive there. Even though the entire corridor is only about 4-5 miles end to end, and I live in just about the middle. It is also a really heavily trafficked bikeway, it gets most of the north/south traffic and has the most cyclists, with zero infrastructure. Imagine what would happen if there was even crappy infrastructure.

It is currently in the protected bikeway proposal stage: they are studying the corridor and having open houses.
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Old 05-16-14, 06:15 AM   #52
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Here is a cost comparison for the separators for the lanes:

14 ways to make bike lanes better (the infographic) | PeopleForBikes
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Old 05-16-14, 06:18 AM   #53
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It's all about design. Well designed protected bike lanes allow people who want to ride slow to do so and those who want to ride fast to do so. Well designed protected bike infrastructure is very safe and eliminates conflict at intersections. Right hooks, left hooks, and most of the other stuff people complain about in the U.S. do not exist in The Netherlands.

The first and last paragraphs of this sum it up well:

There are two schools of thought on bicycle infrastructure and the promotion of bicycling. Vehicular Cycling, promoted by the U.S. beginning in the 1970’s, and Segregated Bicycling, promoted by Amsterdam beginning in the 1970’s.
When our roads are as safe and comfortable as The Netherlands segregated bicycle system then I’d say that vehicular cycling is a viable alternative.
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Old 05-16-14, 12:22 PM   #54
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Well this is my commuting environment.

Too few cyclists on St. John's bike lanes, councillors say - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

My only choice is to deal with traffic, and take responsibility for my own safety as best I can. Contrary to what city council or some other say, there is a bunch of out there everyday biking to work. Some of the attitudes are really backwards (as you can see from the comments). It'll be a long time before we see anything like what has been proposed within this thread.

Edit: The Cole's Notes of this article is the councillors don't think spending more money on bike infrastructure is worth it. One councillor's opinion is no-one uses it. The problem is they slapped some paint on a handful of residential area streets (literally 3 streets with about 1 km of lane each), with dangerous bike lanes that don't actually go anywhere and called it our "bike system". No wonder it doesn't get fully utilized...Sheesh! I am convinced this was their plan. Spend a little on something useless to show they are being "progressive", and then use the fact that no-one uses these couple of lanes to nowhere, to have an excuse to not spend any more.

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Old 05-16-14, 07:24 PM   #55
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I will ride in a bike if it is there except on a section of my commute. A concrete pedestrian thing sticks out in the bike lane and forces bikes into the road proper. After almost being squished by some moron, I just get in the middle of the lane and hit 30 plus MPH down the hill.

my real issue with bike lanes is this I don't understand why we can not attempt to educate drivers that Bikes are allowed to be on the road unless it is an interstate Speed limit 65 or more

Why can people not slow down a few seconds and realize that just because I am on a bike it does not make me less of a human or I am not still someone's son, husband, and a father?
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