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    Cheapo tire tricks . . . new use for old tubes.

    I couldn't find any Mr. Tuffy's at any shops in my town, but wanted something to reinforce a set of hi-feces Michelin Dynamics. Sort of like inflatable rim strips in stock form. So . . . I took two old tubes, chopped the stems off, flattened them out, then packed them in between the tire and inflatable tube. Not sure how the puncture protection will be, but seriously, the junky Michelins rode soooo much better I might do this to all of my tires

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    I couldn't find any Mr. Tuffy's at any shops in my town, but wanted something to reinforce a set of hi-feces Michelin Dynamics. Sort of like inflatable rim strips in stock form. So . . . I took two old tubes, chopped the stems off, flattened them out, then packed them in between the tire and inflatable tube. Not sure how the puncture protection will be, but seriously, the junky Michelins rode soooo much better I might do this to all of my tires
    I'll bite...what is hi-feces?

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    Michelin dynamics sucked for me, I can't believe my local bike shop sold me a pair way back when. Seriously, I walked in weighing every bit of 280 pounds and wanted some tires for my old 80's road bike. The edgy tattooed road bike enthusiast (weighing about 130) sold me a set of 700x23 Michelin dynamics when I said I was open to suggestions.

    Another time a different employee at the same shop sold me clipless shoes that were too tight. I just did not know better, but I thought because I could just clasp the mechanism in leu of laces I would be ok. One short ride and I realized how ridiculous that was.

    The last time I was in there, I asked for a new chain and the manager tried to sell me a whole new drivetrain. He was saying how I had ruined my chainrings letting my chain get out of spec. Getting on 10000 miles since then, and the chainrings are fine. I have a new to me biopace crank going on for reasons other than the rings are worn.


    Worst part art is, that is the best of the bike shops local to me.


    Anyhow, Michelin dynamics are silly at best. I put maybe a couple hundred miles on them. Thorn resistant tires worked well in conjunction with them, adds enough weight to make that a silly idea. The diy tire liner might be a good idea, did you have trouble mounting the tire with the extra rubber stuffed in there?

    I've heard an old seatbelt from a car is a good tire liner. If you cruise by a junkyard, that might be a good choice if you need to explore other diy tire liner options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    . . . I took two old tubes, chopped the stems off, flattened them out, then packed them in between the tire and inflatable tube.
    We've been using that trick for years in my neck of the woods!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moochems View Post
    I've heard an old seatbelt from a car is a good tire liner. If you cruise by a junkyard, that might be a good choice if you need to explore other diy tire liner options.
    wow . . . . a seatbelt? cool

    Quote Originally Posted by WestPablo View Post
    We've been using that trick for years in my neck of the woods!
    Where are these woods??
    Do you have any other cheap tricks ???
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    I was also contemplating electrical tape last night, but decided it wouldn't be tough enough. Gorilla tape, maybe.

    So what's wrong with the Michelin Dynamics? I'm having good luck with my Lithions: Amazon.com : Michelin Lithion 2 Road Tire (Yellow, 700 x 23c) : Bike Tires : Sports & Outdoors

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    I couldn't find any Mr. Tuffy's at any shops in my town, but wanted something to reinforce a set of hi-feces Michelin Dynamics. Sort of like inflatable rim strips in stock form. So . . . I took two old tubes, chopped the stems off, flattened them out, then packed them in between the tire and inflatable tube. Not sure how the puncture protection will be, but seriously, the junky Michelins rode soooo much better I might do this to all of my tires
    I have been slowly building some DIY studded tires for winter use (metal screws through the knobbies) and I was recommended to put an old tube between the tube to be inflated and the heads of the screws on the inside of the tire. I tried to do one better by using a Mr Tuffy tire liner but the tire liner (despite being the widest width available for a 26" MTB tire) was not wide enough to cover all of the heads of the screws. However, I don't have any old MTB tubes so it means I'll have to pay for a couple of MTB tubes.

    On the other hand, I have an unused, and no plans to use it, Mr Tuffy tire liner (pair) and if there if there is anyone out there who'd like to trade a pair of used MTB tubes (a puncture is fine but no tears) for a free set of Mr Tuffy tire liners, PM me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    wow . . . . a seatbelt? cool



    Where are these woods??
    Do you have any other cheap tricks ???
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    Many years ago here in Cleveland, we kids used to use tube remnant strips for liners, and we also used them once we developed a crack or hole in a Cruiser tire.
    Last edited by WestPablo; 05-06-14 at 08:34 AM.

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    You're obviously not a weight weenie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEversbergII View Post
    I was also contemplating electrical tape last night, but decided it wouldn't be tough enough. Gorilla tape, maybe.

    So what's wrong with the Michelin Dynamics? I'm having good luck with my Lithions: Amazon.com : Michelin Lithion 2 Road Tire (Yellow, 700 x 23c) : Bike Tires : Sports & Outdoors

    M.
    I lined my tires with Gorilla tape a couple years ago. I went a year without flats on any of my bikes, so I thought I'd found gold. Then I did get some flats and wasn't convinced the tape had kept me rolling all that time. I was probably just lucky.

    I may try the extra tube trick with my MTB commuter; it has 26x1.5 street tires so there should be some room in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarwheel View Post
    You're obviously not a weight weenie.
    I try to keep it under 50lbs, so I guess I am.

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    This is a whole tube, or one that had its inner half cut away? I've been thinking that outer half of tube plus tyvek from shipping envelope would be an inexpensive alternative to a tire liner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TransitBiker View Post
    This is a whole tube, or one that had its inner half cut away? I've been thinking that outer half of tube plus tyvek from shipping envelope would be an inexpensive alternative to a tire liner.

    - Andy
    The whole tube. So in essence, 3 layers of rubber before air
    I tried duct tape, but it was too hard to get it threaded into the tire evenly and cleanly.
    Again, the protection is yet to be seen, but the ride is so much better, I really think I might do this to all of my bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by moochems View Post
    I've heard an old seatbelt from a car is a good tire liner. If you cruise by a junkyard, that might be a good choice if you need to explore other diy tire liner options.
    While at the junkyard i wonder if a kevlar belt could work as well. Since it is made of kevlar it is probably pretty efficient against puncture

    Last edited by erig007; 05-06-14 at 02:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erig007 View Post
    While at the junkyard i wonder if a kevlar belt could work as well. Since it is made of kevlar it is probably pretty efficient against puncture

    That would be awesome!!!!!
    Excellent!!!
    A 50cc scooter belt would prolly slip right in there!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    The whole tube. So in essence, 3 layers of rubber before air
    One report I saw on tire liners was that Kevlar wasn't really all that great as a barrier - the reason Mr. Tuffys work is simply because of the extra thickness, so if 2 layers of tube is the same thickness as one layer of liner - it's probably just as good against most puncture risks including goatheads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
    One report I saw on tire liners was that Kevlar wasn't really all that great as a barrier - the reason Mr. Tuffys work is simply because of the extra thickness, so if 2 layers of tube is the same thickness as one layer of liner - it's probably just as good against most puncture risks including goatheads.
    Kevlar is pretty worthless against puncture. Kevlar is great for spreading force, but very weak against a pointed object that can go between the threads. There's a reason why bullet proof vests need a separate plate to stop knives.

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    My grandad used to tell me rubber bands were made from chopped up old inner tubes...

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    Kevlar drive belts may not be woven the same as kevlar woven for puncture resistance, so be careful with that, and maybe even test it if possible.

    I think i'll swing by the local shop here and see if they have any expended 26 inch tubes & stockpile a few & see what ends up working long term. For now i'll leave the wheels/tires factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    My grandad used to tell me rubber bands were made from chopped up old inner tubes...
    Some are. Otherwise they are made from plain latex or a synthetic compound. Most of the recycled tube elastics are used in packaging that i've seen. You can buy small amounts online here and there.

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    Here's an idea..If you want ultimate puncture protection the just run double tire... For example: if you're running 26x2 tires then get some smaller size tires cut the bead off and use it to line the tire then put your tube in there...Yeah it will be heavy as hell and ride like ****, but good puncture protection. Personally I wouldn't do it and sacrifice the ride quality.
    Or you could just split a garden hose and use it as a tire liner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    My grandad used to tell me rubber bands were made from chopped up old inner tubes...
    That's exactly what I do. Why spend money on elastic bands when I can make them for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    That's exactly what I do. Why spend money on elastic bands when I can make them for free.
    Life has always sent me enough rubber bands; I think the only time I ever bought any was when I needed exactly the right size for strapping on a model airplane wing.

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    >>>The last time I was in there, I asked for a new chain and the manager tried to sell me a whole new drivetrain.<<<<

    Typically, when you replace a chain, it's a good idea to replace the cassette on your rear wheel, too. I don't think the bike shop was trying to rip you off, necessarily. It's just kind of standard to suggest that to a customer who comes in for a chain replacement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Tom View Post
    >>>The last time I was in there, I asked for a new chain and the manager tried to sell me a whole new drivetrain.<<<<

    Typically, when you replace a chain, it's a good idea to replace the cassette on your rear wheel, too. I don't think the bike shop was trying to rip you off, necessarily. It's just kind of standard to suggest that to a customer who comes in for a chain replacement.
    I did not end up with a chain that day regardless. I got a new chain and put thousands of miles on the cassette, with no issues. Two chains to a cassette is very realistic for my 8 speed drive train.

    A new bottom bracket, crank, chain, and cassette is ridiculous when all I wanted was a chain. He was warming me up to new pedals too, when I informed him I wasn't interested in purchasing all that he became much less jovial, even throwing the cassette he was showing into a parts bin on the other side of the room.



    In regards to puncture resistance, schwalbe marathon plus tires are tried and true, and last a long time too. If you are concerned with puncture prevention, you can rest easy with marathon plus tires.

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