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    Quote Originally Posted by cramej View Post
    I've been lurking for quite a while here and garnered LOTS of information and entertainment but I've got something that's been bugging me for a while now.

    First, I commute occasionally to work and hopefully this summer will increase to twice a week or more. I don't mind sharing the road with other bikers when I am driving, barring stupidity or breaking laws and I'm always courteous to other bikers, runners, etc. who use the sidewalks or roads. BUT....... there is one guy I see riding to work - pretty well outfitted (lights, bright colors. etc.) but he picks the absolute worst time to ride. He's riding on a narrow 2 lane with no shoulder (as in white line and then ditch) during school rush hour in the morning alongside buses, high school drivers, and parents rushing to school. There are other road options and to top it off, I watched him blow through a 4 way stop this morning!

    What's your opinion? Smart, dumb, do you ride this kind of road?

    John
    I think you ride the roads that are on your route. If I could pick other roads, I might just to reduce the hassle factor for myself, but I wouldn't worry about the other vehicles so much. I ride on a lot of narrow roads next to ditches.

    However - failing to stop at stop signs has one of four possible outcomes where I'm from, three of which are either bad or very, very bad:
    1. You go through without incident, smirking at the car-bound suckers stopped at the intersection
    2. You get a ticket. In Austin, a bike ticket for not stopping at a stop sign is just as expensive as in a car, and just as much of a hassle (think one lost Saturday for defensive biking class)
    3. You get t-boned by a car that also decided not to bother to stop (I've seen it far too often)
    4. One of the local yahoos decides to veer off and chase you in his pickup truck, while his friends in the back throw beer bottles and he tries to run you into that ditch (not that common but known to happen)

    Overall I would say: the kind of road and traffic - I'm indifferent, although I might pick a more hassle-free route. Not stopping at stop signs - dumber than hell. That's a cyclist that's going to end up in the emergency room for all the wrong reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
    In my opinion, it's kinda of stupid to ride the main road if there's a good alternative route available. I roll my eyes a bit at people who choose to ride the main busy road, when they could go 1 sidestreet over and have a route with basically the same distance, but far less traffic.

    It gets more complicated if the alternate route is significantly longer or further, though. I choose to ride a route with streets, mostly side streets but a few streets with more traffic, when I could ride almost entirely on bike paths, because rather than being 1:15, it's 0:50 - 20 minutes shorter each way.
    Because the side-street one block over WILL have stop signs every other block. And you expect them to stop at each one don't you? Proper stops, both feet down, none of this rolling stop nonsense. So... why not take the main road in that case. I mean... is we is or is we ain't traffic too. That's the question that has been raised, but not answered in this thread. The o.p. wants to know if, cycling on a busy road is a valid commuting choice. BTW the o.p. loses points for playing mind games. IMO if the cyclist turned right at the stop signal (why weren't we told this before) they have not committed any transgression worth writing a thread about. End of story!

    1 mar·tyr
    noun \ˈmär-tər\

    : a person who is killed or who suffers greatly for a religion, cause, etc.

    : a person who pretends to suffer or who exaggerates suffering in order to get praise or sympathy

    : a person who suffers greatly from something (such as an illness)

    We have a great many vehicular cycling martyrs on this forum. Adding miles to a commute to avoid traffic. Deliberately riding at a sub-maximal pace to arrive dry and odor free. Arriving 60 minutes before clock in to "cool down" before showering. Have I missed any? Of course I have. Stopping at every stop sign and stop signal no matter the hour or degree of traffic stream... like the rules say. How about some of you martyrs take notes on a more nuanced approach, instead of h8ing on those with more panache. In Japan, the cyclist you are criticizing would have received polite applause from any witnesses if his right turn was as gnarly as is alleged. Just saying.

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    Smart commuters work from home.

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    If the guy's been doing the commute consistently for a while, it's probably not dumb or unsafe. Those kinds of things, when someone (including me) looks at it and says "man, that's dumb", it usually comes from a deficiency in knowledge or experience of the person calling it crazy, not the person doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
    If the guy's been doing the commute consistently for a while, it's probably not dumb or unsafe. Those kinds of things, when someone (including me) looks at it and says "man, that's dumb", it usually comes from a deficiency in knowledge or experience of the person calling it crazy, not the person doing it.
    He has been riding this particular route for a while so he's probably used to it. No doubt he has years more riding experience than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post

    1 mar·tyr
    noun \ˈmär-tər\

    : a person who is killed or who suffers greatly for a religion, cause, etc.

    : a person who pretends to suffer or who exaggerates suffering in order to get praise or sympathy

    : a person who suffers greatly from something (such as an illness)

    We have a great many vehicular cycling martyrs on this forum. Adding miles to a commute to avoid traffic. Deliberately riding at a sub-maximal pace to arrive dry and odor free. Arriving 60 minutes before clock in to "cool down" before showering. Have I missed any? Of course I have. Stopping at every stop sign and stop signal no matter the hour or degree of traffic stream... like the rules say. How about some of you martyrs take notes on a more nuanced approach, instead of h8ing on those with more panache. In Japan, the cyclist you are criticizing would have received polite applause from any witnesses if his right turn was as gnarly as is alleged. Just saying.

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    I was with you until that last paragraph. How are those things you've listed pretending to suffer? I ride at a pretty slow pace so that I arrive at work "dry and odor free." I'm not suffering. I'm not pretending to suffer. I'm just riding my bike to work. I suggest you take your own advice: "take notes on a more nuanced approach." What works for me may not work for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    Because the side-street one block over WILL have stop signs every other block. And you expect them to stop at each one don't you? Proper stops, both feet down, none of this rolling stop nonsense. So... why not take the main road in that case. I mean... is we is or is we ain't traffic too. That's the question that has been raised, but not answered in this thread. The o.p. wants to know if, cycling on a busy road is a valid commuting choice. BTW the o.p. loses points for playing mind games. IMO if the cyclist turned right at the stop signal (why weren't we told this before) they have not committed any transgression worth writing a thread about. End of story!

    1 mar·tyr
    noun \ˈmär-tər\

    : a person who is killed or who suffers greatly for a religion, cause, etc.

    : a person who pretends to suffer or who exaggerates suffering in order to get praise or sympathy

    : a person who suffers greatly from something (such as an illness)

    We have a great many vehicular cycling martyrs on this forum. Adding miles to a commute to avoid traffic. Deliberately riding at a sub-maximal pace to arrive dry and odor free. Arriving 60 minutes before clock in to "cool down" before showering. Have I missed any? Of course I have. Stopping at every stop sign and stop signal no matter the hour or degree of traffic stream... like the rules say. How about some of you martyrs take notes on a more nuanced approach, instead of h8ing on those with more panache. In Japan, the cyclist you are criticizing would have received polite applause from any witnesses if his right turn was as gnarly as is alleged. Just saying.

    H
    I really have little idea what you're going on about. The first time I read through your post, I figured your were saying the guy riding on the budy main street was the martyr, because those are usually the guys I see doing it - people who believe they have a "right" to do it, so they do it just to be a cycling matyr.

    Despite your caps and confident tone, you are completely wrong - where I am, 1 street over does not have stop signs every block. You started ranting on something about "proper" stops, but of course I only expect cyclist to stop at stop signs if there's traffic at the intersection or they cannot see far enough around the corner to know if there's a car coming. The side roads where I am usually have the same number of effective stops as the main road.

    As I've found often to be the case, the person doing the action often seems to be the first person to try to accuse others of what they're doing. If you're riding on the main road because of some deep rooted ideology when there's a good side street 1 street over that takes the same amount of time, you're the one being the cycling martyr, choosing to put something on the line for a "cause". The rest of us just do what makes the most sense.

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