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    14 ways to make bike lanes better ?

    Someone posted this in another thread and I thought it could use it's own.

    14 ways to make bike lanes better (the infographic) | PeopleForBikes

    I was quite surprised by a few of the ratings:

    Stripped buffer - 3 stars for durability? In Minnesota they could be completely gone in 2 or 3 years. That's durable? They are also largely invisible throughout much of winter so a protection factor of about zero.

    Turtle Bumps - 4 stars for protection? Cars will routinely drive over turtles.

    Large Bumps - 5 stars for protection? The same level as K-rails (Jersey Barriers)? K-rails will keep a car from entering the bikeway, Large Bumps will not. There is also the issue of perceived protection. Would most people feel more comfortable protected by solid k-rails or these 'Large' Bumps?

    Oblong Low Bumps (Armadillo) - 4 stars for durability? Doesn't happen. These things get ripped to shreds amazingly quickly—by cars driving over them. So much for those 3 protection stars.

    Linear Barriers - 4 stars for protection? See Turtle Bumps. 4 for durability? see Oblong Low Bumps.

    Rigid Bollards - Should be 4 for protection. They are not the same as K-rails or Jersey's.

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    I like the delineator posts - that would be nice. Most of the rest of them look like they would create a barrier for the bike entering and exiting the lane, that would be my concern about the bumps and barriers and bollards and buffers. I want to HAVE a bike lane, but I don't want to be STUCK in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyprough View Post
    I want to HAVE a bike lane, but I don't want to be STUCK in it.
    My sentiment exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyprough View Post
    I like the delineator posts - that would be nice. Most of the rest of them look like they would create a barrier for the bike entering and exiting the lane, that would be my concern about the bumps and barriers and bollards and buffers. I want to HAVE a bike lane, but I don't want to be STUCK in it.
    The bike lane at the start of my commute home recently got these. It actually made a really big difference because the motorized traffic on that street gets backed up horribly at rush hour and before they installed the posts cars would randomly wander into the bike lane as much as half a mile before the intersection, usually without looking. In the worst case, I'd have to panic break to keep from hitting a car (and that wasn't entirely uncommon). In the merely annoying case, I'd be blocked well before an intersection that I could otherwise cruise right up to.

    The downside is that these posts guarantee that the street sweeper won't clean the bike lane. It didn't happen often anyway, but now you can just forget about it.

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    one of the reasons i love raised curb facilities is that the lip is tiny and it's easy to ride on and off these types of enhanced bike lanes. classifying a traditional raised cycle track as having more protection than bollards, bumps, or parking stops is just ridiculous.

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    We have parked cars between the bike lane and the rest of the traffic on some avenues in Manhattan. I got very close to being hit broadside by a turning car. He should have looked, but he probably wasn't in the habit of considering it's a traffic lane. I was going to fast to trust the drivers there. I yelled really really loudly. I have a professionally trained singing voice and can make quite some noise, and it has saved me a couple of times. He was apologetic. Lesson learned? I don't know.
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    If designed properly there should be no problem with being 'trapped' in a bicycle lane. I've never felt trapped in any in The Netherlands, Stockholm, Copenhagen, etc.

    Most of Northern Europe has gone to a 45 degree curb on the bike lane side so if you get too close you ride up on it a bit instead of crash.

    The sweeping issue is another good reason for curbs rather than just paint, bollards or bumps. A curb keeps most of the debris off the path so they stay clear.

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    Or just teach people to share the road. Costs way less.

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    I wonder how many of these designs fare in the winter. It seems that at best, the bike lanes would be plowed infrequently and the barriers would get banged up by snowplows working on the roads, and at worst, they'd be a nice dumping ground for snow leaving cyclists with a narrower than usual street to share with traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TransitBiker View Post
    Or just teach people to share the road. Costs way less.

    - Andy

    Thats scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    ....... I got very close to being hit broadside........... I yelled really really loudly. I have a professionally trained singing voice and can make quite some noise, .....
    I was nearly broadsided once and screamed like an extremely large and frightened woman. Since I am actually a large man... that wasn't so great. Oh well.

    I've never cycled on such nice bike lanes! I swear we just don't have such nice lanes around here. Most I've been on are just marked with painted lines and a few signs. I don't feel particularly at risk.... most of the time. I have mixed feelings about relegating cyclists to their "own lanes". But as a continue to age... not having to keep up with traffic sounds kind of relaxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jade408 View Post
    Thats scary.
    Scary logical, yes, very. I have no time or interest in bike lanes. They cost money & often cause more problems than solve. One of the major issues is motor vehicles blocking the bike lane.... if we educate the motorist, we won't need the bike lane as they won't run the cyclists off the road anymore. Walls, barriers, bumps, just all things that could cause me to crash, keep them away. Just my 2 cent.

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    My favorite lanes for bicyclists are the ones freshly paved and signed:

    bicycles may use full lane
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    Just follow what is done in Amsterdam, no need to re invent the wheel. Seriously I'd be happy if the ones we have were kept clean, that would be an improvement IMO.

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