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    There's one here at the City and County buildings. I actually really like the idea and have used it on occasion. No one has stolen the tools and is generally well received. Like others have said, it's a great resource for those who don't have all the tools needed or if the bike needs tweaking when away from your tools (I don't take tools with me on my rides since it's only a 4 mile commute).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsl View Post
    As for on the road repairs, what are the chances that I'll spontaneously have a flat or mechanical within a reasonable walking distance of one?
    I suppose it depends on where you are. A tool station at either end of the Hawthorne Bridge in Portland would be on the path of several thousand cyclists a day. A relatively small number of stations strategically placed around the city could probably cover the typical daily rides of most of these people.

    On the other hand, most of them probably carry the necessary tools for any on the fly repairs.

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    I would say detractors who think most people who cycle carry tools with them is looking at cycling from a hobbyist/enthusiast point of view. Most people I see in my area that cycle are commuters who cycle out of necessity in a city environment and treat their bikes like crap. Bike stations are not for those who are well prepared or keep their bikes well maintained, it's for (in my anecdotal opinion) the majority who own beater bikes that just wants to keep them functional.

    Let's be honest, most bikes are not well taken care of and a large strata of Americans who use bicycles don't view bikes are something that needs to be maintained so they don't buy spares or tools for them. I would say if you're a BF member a bike station is probably useless since we actually LIKE our bikes, take good care of them, are generally well prepared, and knowledgeable about repairs and maintenance while the average Joe isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostSS View Post
    I would say detractors who think most people who cycle carry tools with them is looking at cycling from a hobbyist/enthusiast point of view. Most people I see in my area that cycle are commuters who cycle out of necessity in a city environment and treat their bikes like crap. Bike stations are not for those who are well prepared or keep their bikes well maintained, it's for (in my anecdotal opinion) the majority who own beater bikes that just wants to keep them functional.

    Let's be honest, most bikes are not well taken care of and a large strata of Americans who use bicycles don't view bikes are something that needs to be maintained so they don't buy spares or tools for them. I would say if you're a BF member a bike station is probably useless since we actually LIKE our bikes, take good care of them, are generally well prepared, and knowledgeable about repairs and maintenance while the average Joe isn't.
    My thoughts exactly...but much better put that I ever could write.

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    Seems like a nice idea.
    Haven't seen any in my travels.

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    Would be nice to have it. May make more sense to have it somewhere far from train/bus station yet a place frequented by bicyclists, than at the station, since the greatest inconvenience is when you have problem in the middle of nowhere. Once you are at a train station, you can hop on the train anyway. The stand should include an allen wrench set (maybe even a vending machine for cheap alkaline batteries ). Everything is good as long as there's no sabotage or theft, which are not hard to imagine.

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    The vending machine element seems to me to be the most useful possibility in this direction, and it's the one somebody could make money from. I would think that would fund the tool stations.

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    I would think that would fund the tool stations.
    and pay the Liability Insurance Premiums ? Know .. it's a country full of personal injury Lawyers ..

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    Sorry about the mess, but threads from General Cycling and LCF have been merged with this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
    The vending machine element seems to me to be the most useful possibility in this direction, and it's the one somebody could make money from.
    Make it 2 AAA batteries for $5 someone would still buy them at night

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    The city of Montreal installed a set of tools and an air compressor in a shack on Ille Notre Dame. Idiots came at night and cut the cables holding the tools on a repeated basis as well as cutting the air hose. Result, no more tools available.

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    Today I saw a woman on bicycle... My eyesight followed her to a garbage can at the intersection. She put her hand in the garbage can and fished out an empty (maybe?) water bottle. Carefully put the bottle in one of several stuffed bags she was carrying, then rode away... likely to the garbage can at the next intersection.

    She's one of us and would be "eligible" to use the public repair stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vol View Post
    Today I saw a woman on bicycle... My eyesight followed her to a garbage can at the intersection. She put her hand in the garbage can and fished out an empty (maybe?) water bottle. Carefully put the bottle in one of several stuffed bags she was carrying, then rode away... likely to the garbage can at the next intersection.

    She's one of us and would be "eligible" to use the public repair stand.
    and....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostSS View Post
    I would say detractors who think most people who cycle carry tools with them is looking at cycling from a hobbyist/enthusiast point of view. Most people I see in my area that cycle are commuters who cycle out of necessity in a city environment and treat their bikes like crap. Bike stations are not for those who are well prepared or keep their bikes well maintained, it's for (in my anecdotal opinion) the majority who own beater bikes that just wants to keep them functional.

    Let's be honest, most bikes are not well taken care of and a large strata of Americans who use bicycles don't view bikes are something that needs to be maintained so they don't buy spares or tools for them. I would say if you're a BF member a bike station is probably useless since we actually LIKE our bikes, take good care of them, are generally well prepared, and knowledgeable about repairs and maintenance while the average Joe isn't.
    I think that for the bike-abusing commuters you describe, tools are likely to be useless since they have no idea how to fix an unrideable bike by the roadside anyway. They don't know how to patch a tube, reconnect a chain. At best, maybe they can pump up a Schrader valve - which you can do at a gas station. What are they going to do with an Allen key or a pedal wrench?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyl View Post
    I think that for the bike-abusing commuters you describe, tools are likely to be useless since they have no idea how to fix an unrideable bike by the roadside anyway. They don't know how to patch a tube, reconnect a chain. At best, maybe they can pump up a Schrader valve - which you can do at a gas station. What are they going to do with an Allen key or a pedal wrench?
    I won't use myself as an example because I consider myself a gear head and I also work in engineering, but I think it's safe to assume most people can turn a wrench. If something is loose....tighten it. As you can see in the photo I posted earlier the station comes equipped with a pump that has a universal head so you can pump both schrader and presta valves.

    From what I've seen personally is the people using that particular station mostly use the pump, 15mm spanner for adjusting single speed chain tension, and various allen keys for adjusting handlebar angles, seatpost height, and brake cable tension, none of which require a certification from Campagnolo to do. Nobody has used it to repair an un-rideable bike. If my bike broke and I had no repair experience I'd walk it to a bike shop not a bike station.

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    A couple of bike shops here in Bend, Oregon have them. Have never used one, though.

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    There's a couple installed around various parts of my old university campus. it's useful for students who never carry tools, can't afford or be bothered with them, and are smart enough to figure out how to use the tools or youtube videos for them. it's a good idea for shorter commute/heavy traffic areas where carrying tools isn't really needed.

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    My workplace installed one a couple of years ago, with built-in pump. I haven't had occasion to use it, nor have I seen it used. I carry spares and tools for roadside repairs, but still I suppose it's nice to know it's there. I've had a couple of occasions to fix a flat before riding home, so I might use it if that happens again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsl View Post
    Solution in search of a problem.

    There are a couple of them around town here. Why would I want to leave the comfort of my home, where I already have the tools and supplies, to go use a bike stand several miles away? And why would I ride a broken bike to get there?

    As for on the road repairs, what are the chances that I'll spontaneously have a flat or mechanical within a reasonable walking distance of one?

    Unless you carpet the country with them, every 100 yards or so, planning on them for spontaneous roadside repair is just plain silly. I fix my flats now right where they happen, or within 100 yards or so if it's not safe at the exact spot. I don't walk several miles to one of those stands to fix it.

    ^^ exactly right.

    Hopefully no one is spending tax dollars on this.

    j.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    ^^ exactly right.

    Hopefully no one is spending tax dollars on this.

    j.
    It's pretty hilarious when BF members tend to only look at things from a straw. I hope you realize the "tax dollars" spent by the local government on a handful of bike stations is a drop in the ocean compared to the millions spent on other bull crap. Again, the point being is to keep bikes functional for the vast majority non enthusiast bike riders who don't carry tools. We can talk about the positive economic benefit more bikers on the roads results in if you want. Bike stations have a potential to facilitate "tax dollars well spent" if they are installed in the right places.

    I hope you at least read the other responses on the thread before getting to tsl's and immediately responding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostSS View Post
    I hope you at least read the other responses on the thread before getting to tsl's and immediately responding.
    Before you tar me with that brush, the ones here are bought and paid for by my club. Roughly 500 members at $20 a head per year, means we have some money to spread around doing things like this.
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    I don't mean to antagonize you, or anyone in the thread. In all honesty, barring pros and cons, money, utility, etc. I just feel that short of getting more bike lanes (which will probably not happen here) encouraging cyclists to keep their bikes in working order by placing bike stations is the next best thing we'll get and it's a good show of faith that cyclists aren't being forgotten. Even if it is a baby step, I think it's the right direction.

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    Do they commonly have these kind of things in Cyclist "Havens" like Amsterdam and Copenhagen? Or is it more like the "Bike Doctors" in the link I posted above?

    M.

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