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    First Hit and Run

    Riding down the bike path of course. Some clown on a mountain bike blew onto the trail across my path and I hit him in the side. As I leaned over to check my wheel he jumped on a pedal and took off. Now I'm sitting here on the side of the bike path with a wheel that won't spin.

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    Bummer. Not cool that he took of like that.

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    I'm glad that you were physically able to check your wheel.

    Sucks that your wheel didn't fare as well.

    Maybe he's local and you'll get the chance to meet again.

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    Technically this wasn't a hit and run since you T-boned him, and not the other way around.

    Not saying you were in the wrong, or that the other guy wasn't rude and obnoxious. Just saying that the incident would be more properly called got hit, was OK and left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Technically this wasn't a hit and run since you T-boned him, and not the other way around.

    Not saying you were in the wrong, or that the other guy wasn't rude and obnoxious. Just saying that the incident would be more properly called got hit, was OK and left.
    Legally a hit and run. You blow a stop and turn onto another road causing an accident, your fault. You take off? Hit and run.

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    It doesn't matter who is at fault. Leaving the scene of an accident that you were involved with is still illegal.
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    I don't know... do DOT statutes apply off road? Illegal might be too strong a term for what the o.p. has described.

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    Is is actually illegal to leave a no injury bike crash that didn't happen on a street?
    Was this on a bike path trail or an actual street?

    It is certainly CS to do what the crasher did-but illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    I don't know... do DOT statutes apply off road? Illegal might be too strong a term for what the o.p. has described.
    I'm not an attorney or in law enforcement, but I tend to agree if this was an off road incident, although it would be interesting to know on whose property this occurred - city/county/state park with trails, little single-track cut-through between houses, a well-worn path on grass and over a curb into into a commercial property parking lot for a short cut to the next intersection, etc.

    I mention this because someone backed into my car in a shopping center a couple years ago - while I was in the car, waiting to exit the parking lot. I called the police to get a police report because I always heard that's what you do after an accident. This wasn't hit and run - the guy was right there with me when I called and trying to do the right thing.

    The 911 operator said something like, "Sir, you are on private property. This is not a police matter" and she did not send an officer to write up the report.

    It would have been nice if the guy stopped and asked if the OP was okay and so forth, but I think it's possible that no crime occurred, and it's also possible that the other cyclist is on some other forum right now talking about how some guy failed to yield and knocked him off his bike this morning.

    Best wishes to the OP and his front wheel, however. That's a crappy situation to be in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoebeisis View Post
    Is is actually illegal to leave a no injury bike crash that didn't happen on a street?
    Was this on a bike path trail or an actual street?

    It is certainly CS to do what the crasher did-but illegal?
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    Here in NY would not technically be considered a "leaving the scene" because no "motor vehicle" as defined by the NYS VTL was involved. That being said, leaving the scene has nothing to do with fault or who hit who as some here seem to imply. If the guy was going horizontally across a well traveled MUP in a reckless manner I could see some criminal charges that would fit, but good luck getting a cop to go that route. May be different if the mayor's kid got hurt. Are you the mayor's kid?

    If nothing else, I agree with bigben... the guy is a jerk. Glad you're OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeeze View Post
    The 911 operator said something like, "Sir, you are on private property. This is not a police matter" and she did not send an officer to write up the report.
    Awhile back a vehicle pulled up next to me and the passenger threw a 1/2 full paper cup ("Big Gulp") of soda on me. The driver wasn't smart enough to speed off too quickly so I was able to get the license plate number.

    I called the police and the first thing I was asked was whether I was at an emergency room. No, I said.

    "Well, if you're not injured there's nothing we can do."

    Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeeze View Post
    The 911 operator said something like, "Sir, you are on private property. This is not a police matter" and she did not send an officer to write up the report.
    Neat, so as long as I'm on private property I can cause property damage and the cops don't care? What else can I get away with as long as it's on private property?
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    In many places that guy would still get in legal trouble for what that guy did. I know here in tyler state park rules of the road apply on the MUP. In many places the path is also a driveway for residents in the park, though.

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    Two bicycles colliding on an MUP is not a hit and run. There's no need to call cops and waste their time.
    Last week I had a head on collision with another cyclist on an MUP, my front wheel cracked, his wheel cracked and his fork got bent. He left his damaged bike along the path locked it to a railing, I just trotted home for 2.5 KM and carried my bike on my shoulder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saving Hawaii View Post
    Now I'm sitting here on the side of the bike path with a wheel that won't spin.
    If you not far from home then pick your bike up and carry it home and then get a new wheel and start rolling again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saving Hawaii View Post
    Legally a hit and run. You blow a stop and turn onto another road causing an accident, your fault. You take off? Hit and run.
    Was there an actual STOP sign where the crash happened ??...Unless there is an actual STOP then nothing illegal happened.

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    I feel for you. Hope all ends up as OK as it can after this.
    The MTB'rs in the park I commute through do that exact same thing. They don't even look let alone consider slowing.
    Very frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    If you not far from home then pick your bike up and carry it home and then get a new wheel and start rolling again.
    Not questioning your advice, but just wondering: With your post more than 24 hrs after the incident, did you think he was still sitting there in need of your suggestion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    Was there an actual STOP sign where the crash happened ??...Unless there is an actual STOP then nothing illegal happened.
    There is actually, which he blew through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saving Hawaii View Post
    There is actually, which he blew through.
    And? What. Are there not brakes on your bike? An insurance adjuster would have a field day with you. The other guy was riding a bicycle, if you cannot avoid hitting a bicycle you should really not make too big a deal about it. Learn from it and move on. That's what people did before there was Twitter and forums like this one. I just don't see how we are materially better off for being able to share every significant interaction with the whole world in a few keystrokes. This was a teachable moment but you are missing most of it because you want validation and you will mostly get it. The posts you should pay the most attention to, however, are the ones that have told you to HTFU and get on with your life. FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    And? What. Are there not brakes on your bike? An insurance adjuster would have a field day with you. The other guy was riding a bicycle, if you cannot avoid hitting a bicycle you should really not make too big a deal about it. Learn from it and move on. That's what people did before there was Twitter and forums like this one. I just don't see how we are materially better off for being able to share every significant interaction with the whole world in a few keystrokes. This was a teachable moment but you are missing most of it because you want validation and you will mostly get it. The posts you should pay the most attention to, however, are the ones that have told you to HTFU and get on with your life. FWIW.

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    I am responsible for my bike & where it goes. I have brakes. If i see an intersection, i always stop & look. If i hit into person or property it is my fault in that situation. But then again i avoid MUP's like the plague & rarely see other cyclists when i do use one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
    And? What. Are there not brakes on your bike? An insurance adjuster would have a field day with you. The other guy was riding a bicycle, if you cannot avoid hitting a bicycle you should really not make too big a deal about it.

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    So if you t-bone a car who pulls out at an intersection, you are at fault. I mean, your car has brakes after all. An insurance adjuster would have a field day with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotooutdoors View Post
    So if you t-bone a car who pulls out at an intersection, you are at fault. I mean, your car has brakes after all. An insurance adjuster would have a field day with you.
    Actually, you would in fact share some of the blame for a car on car T-Bone. There is no excuse, however, for a bike on bike T-Bone. They would happen a lot more often is there was.

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