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Old 07-25-14, 04:19 PM   #26
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I would have done something gentle, like cutting the frame of the offending bike to free my bike. Only requires a simple hacksaw. Easier than cutting a lock, which can be dealt with when you get home with proper tools.
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Yep, would have cut the offending lock and ridden away. And yes, I too would be a little peeved if someone locked a $50 POS to my bike. It is not a matter of being a snob, it is a matter that the offending person has no respect for anyone else's property. On top of that, it was most likely an attempted theft that was thwarted. I hand built my wheels and some doofus bending my spokes or such would be a non happy moment. People behaving in such a rude manner is my definition of a punk...and there are punks out there in all shapes, colors and sizes.
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Not a chance buddy! I am going to have an absolutely rotten weekend just to show you that I do what I want, how I want...so there...
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I have, but on the U of M(N) campus - where the security guards will cut the offending lock and re-lock it with theirs, with a number on it to call to get it freed.
This might be a good way to go in general. After cutting your bike free - to either turn the person's bike over to police or at a nearby business. As ticked as I would be about someone locking me in, I'm not sure I could just leave their bike without someone looking after it.

That said, this conclusion comes after a day or so of reading the progression of this thread and without any personal emotional involvement. I have no qualms about how the OP handled it. I'm glad you were able to get your bike free!
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I would have done something gentle, like cutting the frame of the offending bike to free my bike. Only requires a simple hacksaw. Easier than cutting a lock, which can be dealt with when you get home with proper tools.
Of course, we are all such tough guys on the internet. What if that didn't free your bike. Now you've vandalized their bike and yours is still immobilized. You see where anger gets you? That's why there are so many senseless acts of real heartbreaking proportions. A small thing like this goes unresponded to. And another. Did you know that in no other country on earth are psychopaths found? True. An honest to god borderline personality is totally an American phenomenon. Its because their is so little accountability, yet so much justification for over the top retribution. It starts in child-hood and is nurtured throughout adolescence. You may never be so stupid as to lock your bike to someone elses but you may one day be careless enough to park your SUV in a way that prevents someone else from getting out of a parking spot. Maybe they stop at smashing your passenger side mirror when enacting their revenge. Maybe not. I saw a car where they didn't... it wasn't pretty. FWIW.

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I don't understand why it makes a difference what kind of bike was locked against it. Why would you be more angry about a beater?

If it was a Merlin would you (anyone) be more reluctant to just leave it after cutting the cable?
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Regardless of whether it was a X-mart $50 special or a $10k CF wonderbike,I would've been peeved that someone a)immobilized my bike with their lock and b)had enough disregard for me as to put their pedals in my wheels. Anyone who does that,is in fact a punk.

I've never had someone I didn't know lock to me,but I did lock to someone once to teach them a lesson. Without typing a book,the person would lock up in front of a bar they didn't go into using a mini-lock that held their bike so close to the rack that no-one else could use it without locking to them. So I locked to them once to teach them a lesson. Dude was mad,but I,my good friend the bartender,and my other friend the bouncer were all larger than he was,and there was a police substation across the street. Afterwards he started locking to a meter by himself. Lesson learned.

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So back when I was driving to the train to get to work, at some point someone blocked my car in and luckily I only had to wait an hour at the end of the day for them to show up and move so I could leave. When I pointed out that their life must be more important than mine cause they had to inconvenience me and I needed to have someone else pick my daughter up because I was stuck there, I was told they had no where else to park. Really ?!!!! As she drove away I could see the bumper sticker on her car that said," keep christ in christmas". Really?!!!! Some people have no consideration of others.
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Regardless of whether it was a X-mart $50 special or a $10k CF wonderbike,I would've been peeved that someone a)immobilized my bike with their lock and b)had enough disregard for me as to put their pedals in my wheels. Anyone who does that,is in fact a punk.

I've never had someone I didn't know lock to me,but I did lock to someone once to teach them a lesson. Without typing a book,the person would lock up in front of a bar they didn't go into using a mini-lock that held their bike so close to the rack that no-one else could use it without locking to them. So I locked to them once to teach them a lesson. Dude was mad,but I,my good friend the bartender,and my other friend the bouncer were all larger than he was,and there was a police substation across the street. Afterwards he started locking to a meter by himself. Lesson learned.



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So let me see if I got this right, you felt he/she was inconsiderate of others so you decided to retaliate? I guess you couldn't lock to the meter cause your bike was too good for that. This is whats wrong with people today. No need to respond , Im done.
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Did you know that in no other country on earth are psychopaths found? True. An honest to god borderline personality is totally an American phenomenon.
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I don't understand why it makes a difference what kind of bike was locked against it. Why would you be more angry about a beater?

If it was a Merlin would you (anyone) be more reluctant to just leave it after cutting the cable?
If it was a nicer/more expensive bike I doubt the rider would have done that, not speaking from experience, just an assumption, I don't know many owners of $700 + bikes that would purposely jeopardize their bike in that fashion. If it was a Merlin/Specialized S-works/Baum/Cinelli/Bianchi/[insert mid to high range bike here] I would be very much more reluctant to leave it without a lock.

The reason why I bring up the value of the bike in question is the illustrate the fact that a cheap disposable bike is less likely to be taken care of and more likely to be thrown around on top of other people's bikes with little to no thought. I treat my gas station rack glasses like garbage but my Ray-Bans with care. The value is directly connected to how that person is willing to take care locking up his bike.
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You've got to be kidding here.
Yeah, I can't tell if he's a troll, or just totally delusional.
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If it was a nicer/more expensive bike I doubt the rider would have done that, not speaking from experience, just an assumption, I don't know many owners of $700 + bikes that would purposely jeopardize their bike in that fashion.
Is it safe to assume that you do not know (m)any owners of $50 bikes, and if you do, you treat them differently than you do pals who own the right kind of bike?
BTW, did your bike suffer any of the damage to your bike that other posters are assuming were caused by this reckless person with no respect for a bicycle with the proper breeding (and price)?
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Today some punk parked his $50 beater leaning against my bike and locked them together. His pedals were passing through my spokes, cables looped through my brake levers, handlebars and wheels tangled together with mine. On top of it all he passed his cable and lock through my top tube.
Good grief... sure we shouldn't generalize about social class or otherwise, but the OP rather clearly described how inconsiderate this other cyclist was, tangling the bikes together and then locking them both. This does not appear to be an accident.

At my university, there are lots of so called $50 beater bikes being ridden, and surprise, surprise, they are NICELY locked up, so clearly, it's possible to considerately lock up your bike regardless of its supposed value.
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I would have exploded the offender's lock with my superhero hands and then kicked the Wal-Mart bike until it was a mangled ruin.
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On a more legal plane, wouldn't incapacitating a vehicle (bike, motorcycle or car) be considered some form of theft?
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Good grief... sure we shouldn't generalize about social class or otherwise, but the OP rather clearly described how inconsiderate this other cyclist was, tangling the bikes together and then locking them both. This does not appear to be an accident.

At my university, there are lots of so called $50 beater bikes being ridden, and surprise, surprise, they are NICELY locked up, so clearly, it's possible to considerately lock up your bike regardless of its supposed value.
+1 !

There's a lot of people reading a bunch of stuff into the original post that simply wasn't there. At all. On top of that the OP clarified his position quite well, and yet people continue to bash him and others for something that they perceive that simply isn't there.

There aren't demons everywhere people, chill out.
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I can't understand why there should have been any damage to his "beater " bike. You were 100% within your rights to cut the cable or lock as necessary to free your bike, but I fail to understand why the bikes couldn't be untangled with any damage to either.
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+1 !

There's a lot of people reading a bunch of stuff into the original post that simply wasn't there. At all. On top of that the OP clarified his position quite well, and yet people continue to bash him and others for something that they perceive that simply isn't there.

There aren't demons everywhere people, chill out.
The poster is being taken to task for what he did write - unnecessary and irrelevant derisive details unrelated to the issue at hand which was his bike incapacitated by a rude or dimwitted cyclist, and how he dealt with it.
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The poster is being taken to task for what he did write - unnecessary and irrelevant derisive details unrelated to the issue at hand which was his bike incapacitated by a rude or dimwitted cyclist, and how he dealt with it.
What derisive details? The noun punk? Where I come from it's simply an synonym for jerk. I didn't say "young punk" I didn't say "foreign punk" (which both sound like names of bands). How would you describe someone that has done this to you? "Stupid", "dimwitted", or any other adjective attacking the intelligence is considered far more derisive than "punk" or "jerk" here. You can call locals a whole string of names, but as soon as you call them stupid they get seriously upset. I'm not a robot, I'll use adjectives based on my emotions towards someone whose done something wrong to me.

The adjective cheap? Me describing the bike that was lock to mine only paints a picture. EVERYTHING that people are questioning about this detail is far over-analyzed. I bet if I didn't include what type of bike it was everybody would be asking me what type of bike it was. It's just a detail. I called it a beater, not a piece of s***.

Is this thread full of psychologists? I'll re-write it: Well my bike got locked together with someone else's. It sucked. The end.


EDIT: I don't mean to get anyone's goat here. I'll put it this way, it upsets me the way people are judging my words rather than the offenders actions or my actions more than anything else. The way I described the situation in my opinion was rather tame. To have every word picked apart and questioned, it's like I'm having my morality interrogated. If my ACTIONS are being judged, then fine, that's what the thread was about.

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What derisive details? The noun punk? Where I come from it's simply an synonym for jerk. I didn't say "young punk" I didn't say "foreign punk" (which both sound like names of bands). How would you describe someone that has done this to you? "Stupid", "dimwitted", or any other adjective attacking ....
I'd say all of those apply.

I was questioning some of the responses in this thread. I didn't find anything in your original post to be particularly objectionable.

My understanding is that what the "punk" did legally speaking is "conversion", which isn't theft but similar. The necessary actions to recover your property are legally and morally valid. IMO.

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Guaranteed that most of the posters condemning GhostSS for what they perceive as insufficiently saint-like behavior, had they come upon their own bikes immobilized in the manner described (in the real world, not in an imaginary self-congratulatory internet mind experiment), would have reacted far less rationally than GhostSS. (Except Leisesturm---cool story about the sport bike rescue.) I certainly would have. The OP has nothing to apologize for or justify.

Somehow the comments remind me of going to see my high-school girlfriend when I was covered in green and purple bruises after a dog took me down in a bike race. When I told her the story, she trilled, "Oooo---was the dog all right?"

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So let me see if I got this right, you felt he/she was inconsiderate of others so you decided to retaliate? I guess you couldn't lock to the meter cause your bike was too good for that. This is whats wrong with people today. No need to respond , Im done.
As I said,I didn't want to write a book.

It was done with the blessing of the bar's staff. The bar had paid for the BID to put those racks in,and this guy wasn't patronizing their establishment. So he was taking their customers' parking. Also,the only way to lock to the rack while he was there was to lock to him;his bike was basically sealed to it by his use of a tiny lock. Two bikes could normally lock there,but he was taking the entire rack. Finally,I wasn't the one who almost had the cops called on him for trying to start a fight and making threats.

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I can't understand why there should have been any damage to his "beater " bike. You were 100% within your rights to cut the cable or lock as necessary to free your bike, but I fail to understand why the bikes couldn't be untangled with any damage to either.
Then again, you, me, and everybody else in this thread were not there to see just how the bikes were tangled together. If the offending cyclist mashed the bikes together and locked the two bikes together with little room to maneuver, it could very well be that GhostSS had to really work around the offending lock and in the process, damage the other cyclist's bike. The OP was pretty descriptive: you don't "accidentally" shove your bike into another so well that everything gets tangled without some significant effort. I think I'll trust the OP's description on what happened and what he felt was necessary to do to extradite his bike.

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The poster is being taken to task for what he did write - unnecessary and irrelevant derisive details unrelated to the issue at hand which was his bike incapacitated by a rude or dimwitted cyclist, and how he dealt with it.
Seriously? I think most of have forgotten what the OP actually wrote after all this pseudo psychological analysis.

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Today some punk parked his $50 beater leaning against my bike and locked them together. His pedals were passing through my spokes, cables looped through my brake levers, handlebars and wheels tangled together with mine. On top of it all he passed his cable and lock through my top tube.

WTH?

Luckily I work for a Engineering/Construction company and had plenty of tools handy from one of our crews that happened to be working in the building. I didn't maim/vandalize his bike, but I did what I needed to in order to free mine, which was not gentle to his bike (BTW it was a Big Box Walmart el-cheapo moutain/single track bike).

Anybody have experience with being locked by someone else's lock or someone blatantly parking their bike touching yours to the point they get tangled together? What's the right/wrong course of action?
Out of all his words that could be controversial, there's: "punk", "beater", "Big Box Walmart el-cheapo". Six words only which - given the scenario - seem far from unnecessary. Given what people write in the helmet thread that are practically personal attacks, the OP's choice of words are frankly tame. Actually, he's pretty objective and even sincere in seeking advice.

As for punk... I'm not sure "dimwitted" is an improvement or politically more correct, and given how the offending bike was mashed up against the OPs, the OP could have used some more descriptive, choice words. And "Big Box Walmart el-cheapo"... well... if those are considered derisive... then this whole bloody forum and thousands of threads would considered derisive given how many times those references have been used.

Waaayyy too much analysis into what the OP posted, but I'm pretty sure just about everybody here would have a similar - or worse - reaction if we found ourselves in the same situation.
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