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Old 07-27-14, 09:29 PM   #76
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Aside from some semantics/PC jousting some posters did post some alternatives I wouldn't have thought about. I don't think it's crossed irredeemable territory.
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EDIT: I don't mean to get anyone's goat here. I'll put it this way...
Don't worry about it too much. There are plenty of bored trolls in this forum, just itching to pounce on a person's viewpoint or choice of words.
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What derisive details? The noun punk? Where I come from it's simply an synonym for jerk. I didn't say "young punk" I didn't say "foreign punk" (which both sound like names of bands). How would you describe someone that has done this to you? "Stupid", "dimwitted", or any other adjective attacking the intelligence is considered far more derisive than "punk" or "jerk" here. You can call locals a whole string of names, but as soon as you call them stupid they get seriously upset. I'm not a robot, I'll use adjectives based on my emotions towards someone whose done something wrong to me.

The adjective cheap? Me describing the bike that was lock to mine only paints a picture. EVERYTHING that people are questioning about this detail is far over-analyzed. I bet if I didn't include what type of bike it was everybody would be asking me what type of bike it was. It's just a detail. I called it a beater, not a piece of s***.

Is this thread full of psychologists? I'll re-write it: Well my bike got locked together with someone else's. It sucked. The end.


EDIT: I don't mean to get anyone's goat here. I'll put it this way, it upsets me the way people are judging my words rather than the offenders actions or my actions more than anything else. The way I described the situation in my opinion was rather tame. To have every word picked apart and questioned, it's like I'm having my morality interrogated. If my ACTIONS are being judged, then fine, that's what the thread was about.
I totally agree with all the above. And I say that as someone who was (& in some ways still is) a punk rocker. I've analyzed and been subjected to about all the uses of the word "punk" possible, and identify with the word in some contexts, and yet, I was able to very clearly discern the OP's intent in using the word. Some people need to dial back their outrage meters.
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Like the bikes in the OP's post this thread is a tangle of nonsense and should probably be locked down.
Once again the wanna be police have shown up to derail a thread that could be used to have a discussion about how to deal with a situation that all of us may face at any time...

Mods, please don't lock this thread just because some vocal folks can't handle discussion.
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This was a bike theft scam.
Absolutely no way you can accidentally lock someones bike to yours.
Only one reason to do it-theft.
He/she would have come back at night-cut your lock-(your bike is "nice/expensive" right?)

I bet there were "lesser" bikes he could have locked to?
And he could simply have NOT LOCKED to someones bike-found another place to lock up.

Yeah if your bike is "nice" it was selected for JUST that reason- WORTH STEALING and he didn't care if you trashed his "beater"
since he would just steal another-he stole that one of course-to use as a LOCKED BIKE.

Don't you folks deal with BIKE THEFT?? It is BOOMING in NOLA?

PS Yes it was "very mean" calling this BIKE THIEF a punk.
And "demeaning/classist" to call his bike a beater.It was a STOLEN BIKE USED TO ATTEMPT TO STEAL YOUR BIKE.
Hell it was a valuable bike-it was going to get the BIKE THIEF- your pricy bike

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Old 07-28-14, 05:04 AM   #81
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I can't believe I read through this whole thread.
The OP was inconvenienced by someone else (for whatever reason) and did what he had to do.
Same here. I started reading this thread in case that ever happened to me. Then I realized it probably never would because I never lock my bike, and never even bring a lock, since I'm lucky enough to bring it inside everywhere I go. Otherwise I don't go in.

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…. If it was a Merlin/Specialized S-works/Baum/Cinelli/Bianchi/[insert mid to high range bike here] I would be very much more reluctant to leave it without a lock.

The reason why I bring up the value of the bike in question is the illustrate the fact that a cheap disposable bike is less likely to be taken care of and more likely to be thrown around on top of other people's bikes with little to no thought…The value is directly connected to how that person is willing to take care locking up his bike.
I own one of those, but I do the same with my beater. (I'm happy to see my brand listed, though I would consider it "[strike]mid to[/strike] high range".)
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I can't believe I haven't seen anyone suggest what the OP should have done to teach the would-be thief a real lesson: steal the walmart bike. Maybe he could have gone home quickly and then driven back to pick it up or something. I mean, you've already cut the lock. Go for it!

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I can't believe I read through this whole thread.
The OP was inconvenienced by someone else (for whatever reason) and did what he had to do.
i can not believe I have read 4 pages of this thread. wow
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Once again the wanna be police have shown up to derail a thread that could be used to have a discussion about how to deal with a situation that all of us may face at any time...
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You said it!
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I wish I could find that post where the writer says it was alll about the tone of the o.p. It was. And my reply, because the o.p. did ask, seems to have set off a firestorm because it is very true: a guilty conscience needs no accuser. Tokyo, Japan and NYC, NY are both incredibly crowded cities. The inhabitants have evolved diametric social strategies to the crowding. The Japanese exaggerate politeness and allow egregious violations of personal space and property to go unchallenged. New Yorkers adopt aggressive street scowls and persona and claim more personal space than they need to create a buffer between themselves and others.

Words are what separates humanity from our primate relatives. We should use them with more care. Especially on the Internet. Actually, I think we use the words we want to use just fine. Owning them when we are challenged to defend them is where some fall short of the mark. Just saying. This thread would have been pages shorter if the o.p. had simply said exactly what "not so gentle" meant in the context of getting his bike untangled from another. We're not talking about conjoined twins. Come on people. Give those of us arguing for a more nuanced take on a social situation some credit!

Lastly, I don't know anyone who would go home and sleep peacefully with their precious road bike locked to some POS Judas Goat outside of the Public Library. Seriously? I'm going to the Police and/or the Fire Department or the Security Service of the Mall or whomever but some aegis is going to get my bike free before I return home! And it would be done without the need to teach anyone a lesson in civics. If they are old enough to ride their bike unaccompanied they are too old to be taught abstract lessons. If they are really in need of one, life will provide The Lesson sooner or later. The molding and shaping of young adults other than my own is above my pay grade.

If this thread continues it will be because of the need of some to argue the semantics of an issue. For the sake of semantics argument. That "tone" post should be located and re-quoted as some seem to have missed it.

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I'm all for teaching The Lesson right then and there. Nothing abstract about learning the consequences of locking your bike to someone else's bike. How about if they locked it to your car, would you just sit around waiting for them to show up, or deal with the matter as you deem appropriate?
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Today some punk parked his $50 beater leaning against my bike and locked them together. His pedals were passing through my spokes, cables looped through my brake levers, handlebars and wheels tangled together with mine. On top of it all he passed his cable and lock through my top tube.

WTH?

Luckily I work for a Engineering/Construction company and had plenty of tools handy from one of our crews that happened to be working in the building. I didn't maim/vandalize his bike, but I did what I needed to in order to free mine, which was not gentle to his bike (BTW it was a Big Box Walmart el-cheapo moutain/single track bike).

Anybody have experience with being locked by someone else's lock or someone blatantly parking their bike touching yours to the point they get tangled together? What's the right/wrong course of action?
Honestly if that happened to me, I would have taken the other bike home with me, either slung over my bike somehow or walked it besides me on its front tire.
You can usually tell if someone is just there to rustle your jimmies by locking your bike to theirs. If there is a bike involved with that kind of foolishness, then I would take it.

But No, I have never had that happen to me. I usually don't mind someone parking stuff next to my old commuter bikes, bike racks are always crowded. And sometimes that trick is used by bike thieves in order to steal bikes later. They will put their lock on it, you will leave to get help, and when you come back its gone.
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I live in a condo with a shared bike room. When I got home, there was a resident (I recognize) who was unbolting a bike rack from the floor. He said someone had parked in "his spot".

Me: "There are no assigned spots. It's a common, shared, bike room."
Him: "But this is my spot. This has all been worked out ahead of time."
Me: "Umm...no, there are no reserved spots. People take my spot all the time--I don't unbolt the bike rack, I park somewhere else. What you are doing is not right."
Him: "Well, it's right to me."
Me: "Umm...OK." <walks away>
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I live in a condo with a shared bike room. When I got home, there was a resident (I recognize) who was unbolting a bike rack from the floor. He said someone had parked in "his spot".

Me: "There are no assigned spots. It's a common, shared, bike room."
Him: "But this is my spot. This has all been worked out ahead of time."
Me: "Umm...no, there are no reserved spots. People take my spot all the time--I don't unbolt the bike rack, I park somewhere else. What you are doing is not right."
Him: "Well, it's right to me."
Me: "Umm...OK." <walks away>
Incredible. Would he have a car towed if it were also in "his spot"?
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This thread is ridiculous.

OP, you did the right thing. That was almost certainly a theft attempt.
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I live in a condo with a shared bike room. When I got home, there was a resident (I recognize) who was unbolting a bike rack from the floor. He said someone had parked in "his spot".

Me: "There are no assigned spots. It's a common, shared, bike room."
Him: "But this is my spot. This has all been worked out ahead of time."
Me: "Umm...no, there are no reserved spots. People take my spot all the time--I don't unbolt the bike rack, I park somewhere else. What you are doing is not right."
Him: "Well, it's right to me."
Me: "Umm...OK." <walks away>
What? I don't get it. What does he hope to accomplish by unbolting the bike rack? Was he trying to teach someone (or the management) a lesson?
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This thread is ridiculous.

OP, you did the right thing. That was almost certainly a theft attempt.
I agree, how did something so simple turn into such a train wreck?
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But you did add the smug references to the quality of the other bike. If other posters introduced this baloney...
Now who's the one being smug? Baloney is as valid a form of lunch meat as any other! How dare you.
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Now who's the one being smug? Baloney is as valid a form of lunch meat as any other! How dare you.
Sounds like lunch meat discrimination!
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Sounds like lunch meat discrimination!
End the turkey-ham patriarchy NOW!
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Some people think because they ate Soppressata and Pecorino Romano on an artisanal ciabatta roll for lunch they can look down their noses at everyone else's sandwich. It makes me sick.
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I can't believe I haven't seen anyone suggest what the OP should have done to teach the would-be thief a real lesson: steal the walmart bike. Maybe he could have gone home quickly and then driven back to pick it up or something. I mean, you've already cut the lock. Go for it!

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I liked the 'I'll free my bike by using a hacksaw on their frame' solution, personally.

Hell, it would probably be easier than getting through a decent lock.

Incidentally, my approach to bike theft would be similar. Just cut/unbolt the bike rack-toss the entire thing in a trailer, and deal with the locks at your leisure.
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This has to be one of the most absurd arguments I've witnessed here in the Commuting forum and a big reason I don't hang around much anymore.
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If someone did this to me, I'd wonder why they didn't park their bike in their own office.
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